What the hell is going on???????????? GYNO

[wmaousley]

Ok so I have been on cycle for 4 weeks now and during week 2 I started to get sore nipps. So I discontinued use of dbol and started my Adex 1mg daily & Nolvadex 20mg daily. After a few days the soreness went away, but now i have puffy nipples with no soreness or itchiness and have upped the nolvadex to 40mg daily and their hasnt been any change in my nipple puffiness. Today they feel sore again and I am completely lost as what to do.

Cycle:

Deca 500mg WK 1-10 willing to discontinue
Test E 500mg WK 1-14 thinking to up the dose
Dbol 50mg WK 1-6 discontinued use in WK 2

please can anyone help me with this???

Stats:

29 years old
205lbs
5th cycle

[xlucax]

Same dude, looking for some answers ! Cant seem to tackle this damn gyno no matter what I try :/

[Far from massive]

Bloodwork would be very helpful in determining the cause of the gyno and what actions to take for resolution.

[xlucax]

Maybe see my local GP dotor or would this be a bad idea ?

[Hazard]

I would order Aromasin (exemestane) ASAP and start 12.5mg ed - Adex just didn't cut it for me.....

~Haz~

[juliosalsa]

Hey dude, please let us know what the outcome of the gyno is...

[warren916]

Dude, did you do any reasearch at all about Arimidex!

PLEASE READ ALL DRUG manufacturers drug interaction labels BEFORE you start taking something!!!!!

RUNNING ARIMIDEX AND NOLVADEX AT THE SAME TIME GREATLY REDUCES THE BLOOD CONCENTRATION LEVELS OF ARIMIDEX!!

So basicly your only taking Nolvadex ONLY...

Aromasin and Nolva are stackable. Get some Aromasin, if you must, stack with Nolvadex.

ref http://www.rxlist.com/arimidex-drug.htm

Co-administration of anastrozole and tamoxifen in breast cancer patients reduced anastrozole plasma concentration by 27%. However, the coadministration of anastrozole and tamoxifen did not affect the pharmacokinetics of tamoxifen or N-desmethyltamoxifen. At a median follow-up of 33 months, the combination of ARIMIDEX and tamoxifen did not demonstrate any efficacy benefit when compared with tamoxifen in all patients as well as in the hormone receptor-positive subpopulation. This treatment arm was discontinued from the trial. [see Clinical Studies]. Based on clinical and pharmacokinetic results from the ATAC trial, tamoxifen should not be administered with anastrozole.

[upperhandy]

prolactin sides?
caber?

a vet should chime in on this.....

letro as a last resort?

[toooosmall]

I'm in week 4 500mg test e cycle, finished 25 day 40mg/day dbol kicker yesterday. I take aromasin and tamox, and have had very little irritation or anything with my nipples. i think the aromasin is worth the extra dough, tamox too

[xeroxy]

I would not be stacking tamoxifen with anything while you are running a 19nor like deca, Tam upregulates Pgr and if your gyno is progesterone related taking Tam may make it worse.
I would advise 1 tab of aromasin daily and 1/2 a tab of cabergoline twice weekly, drop the Tam.

[wmaousley]

Hey dude, please let us know what the outcome of the gyno is...

I really think it was deca gyno, most symptoms have subsided after dropping deca. but the puffy nipples are still there.

[wmaousley]

Def prolactin sides, I stopped the deca and most of the sides have vanished except the puffy nipps.

[tmtulcs]

I think you are right on the prolactin. I had the same thing happen on week 2, plus start of Deca Dick (Scary as hell when you are 38!). I had Liquid Prami on hand and started .25mg ED at night and 4th day both problems were fixed. I also started .5mg EOD of Arimidex at the same time try to cut down on bloating. I did not do any blood work, just had Pramipexole on hand and used. I had ran Deca before when I was in my 20's and had no problems. First cycle in 12 years and I had problems.
I would imagine Prami or Carber would knock out the puffy nipples if it is a bother. Deca is so long acting, you might have to deal with it for a few more weeks.
500mg Test E
300mg Deca

[wmaousley]

I think you are right on the prolactin. I had the same thing happen on week 2, plus start of Deca Dick (Scary as hell when you are 38!). I had Liquid Prami on hand and started .25mg ED at night and 4th day both problems were fixed. I also started .5mg EOD of Arimidex at the same time try to cut down on bloating. I did not do any blood work, just had Pramipexole on hand and used. I had ran Deca before when I was in my 20's and had no problems. First cycle in 12 years and I had problems.
I would imagine Prami or Carber would knock out the puffy nipples if it is a bother. Deca is so long acting, you might have to deal with it for a few more weeks.
500mg Test E
300mg Deca

Yeah the last time I ran Deca was 2002 with no problems. But for some reason or another (same as your case) I had problems. I didnt get Deca dick thank god, but the nipples became huge, my aerolas are big as well, I mean there not pretruding like a womans breast, more or less in the normal area but just puffy as hell. I think this will be the last time I take Deca.

I even thought it might be the dbol I was taking so I discontinued it ( will restart the dbol next week)and continued with the deca until last week I stopped deca and upped my test last week to 750mg to try and offset the deca sides. Not sure if its the right thing to do but sounded good at the time. SO i think Test and EQ will be my cycle of choice from now on.

Cycle

wk 1-14 Test E 500mg
wk 1-10 Deca 500mg (discontinued use)
wk 1-6 Dbol 50mg daily (stopped but will restart)

Cycle

[Swifto]

I would not be stacking tamoxifen with anything while you are running a 19nor like deca, Tam upregulates Pgr and if your gyno is progesterone related taking Tam may make it worse.
I would advise 1 tab of aromasin daily and 1/2 a tab of cabergoline twice weekly, drop the Tam.

Your incorrect.

The vast majority of studies that state it "upregulates the PgR" are done on the uterus of women. A highly sensitive tissue to estrogen. Much of the data is also on breast cancer patients. This cannot then be transferred to healthy male breast tissue.

The PgR is synthesised in response the the estrogen receptor (ER). Tamoxifen down-regulates the ER in breast tissue and the progesterone receptor then follows suit.

You're either repeating an online article by a so called steroid "guru" or are using poor logic.

Tamoxifen is fine to fight gyno caused by progesterone.

[awms]

Yup letro will become your new best friend! a-dex doesnt do shit for me! I took 0.5mg a day while on 500mg of test and still got gyno so I bumped it up to 1mg a day and still the gyno got worse so I got some letro and took 1.25mg every 5th (took 2.5mg the first day) and within a week the gyno started to go away.

Dont take to much letro! just enouph to do its job. 1.25mg every 5 days is plenty!

[biobest692]

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[BIG NICE]

I am going to use aromasin (exemestane) for my test e cycle. Seems better from all the reviews I've read. I believe a lot of the vets/mods on here typically suggest aromasin over l-dex/a-dex. I could be wrong, but that's what I've gathered and that's what I plan on using. I'm dosing 500mg/week as well and plan on doing 12.5 mg/aromasin eod throughout the cycle, with nolva on hand of course.