First cycle, please help!

**mike0927** · 02-18-2011, 01:00 PM

Ive been training naturally since age 16, back then i was about 5'10" 145. Now im 21, 6' and 176 (very lean). Haven't been able to make much gains in 4-5 months of hard training despite eating over 4k calories and 300g protein a day. I think its finally time for a first cycle.

I was going to take sustanon , but I decided to take test prop so it will kick in right away and so i can start post cycle shortly after. It seems counter productive to take something that will suppress you but hardly give gains for the first few weeks.. but i suppose for long cycles its more convenient..

So far I think ill take the prop for 8 weeks at 50mg ed. My first question is for how long will i see good gains from the prop? I would like to run it for 10 weeks if ill continue to see gains.. The prop I have is virormones.

Also I plan to take anavar for the last 6 weeks at 60mg ed, maybe bump it up to 80 for the last couple weeks depending on how i feel. All the orals i have are GP, including the AI's..

I will be running proviron at 25mg ed to free up some test, and also arimidex at .25 eod up until i begin pct.

So basically:
Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 50mg/ed
Weeks 1-8 Proviron 25mg/ed
Weeks 1-8 Adex .25mg/eod
Weeks 3-8 Anavar 60mg/ed

Then 3 days after last shot of test:
Weeks 9-14 Nolvadex 20mg/ed
Weeks 9-11 HCG 500IU/ed
Weeks 9-12 Aromasin 20mg/ed

On a short cycle like this would hcg at the the end be fine or should i concider running it throughout? And if i did run it the whole time whats the dose? Ive heard 250IU twice a week.

Ill be taking Liv52 throughout and post cycle, plus eating like a fiend.

I have the money to take IGF-1 LR3 post cycle, if i did this it would be 2x 20mcg into muscles just worked, and on training days only. So 40mcg 5-6 times a week for 5 weeks. Ive heard amazing things about this from a few guys I know saying they felt like they "grew into their gains."

Anyway bros thats my cycle and im so stoked, just waiting on the aromasin and proviron and i can begin!

Let me know what you think!

**SlimmerMe** · 02-18-2011, 01:03 PM

Welcome.....21? and want to make gains? I bet if you posted what you eat in the Diet forum why could help you...
if you are not eating right, all the AAS in the world will not help

plus 21 is too early. You already have a TON of hormones so use what you have for now ....not worth the risk of getting ED.....IMO

**mike0927** · 02-18-2011, 01:07 PM

I eat and eat and eat, 600 or so calories every 2 hours as long as im awake. My diet is in check, been like this for year with only about 3 pounds gained, and thats shit. Its time to see some results.

**warren916** · 02-18-2011, 01:10 PM

21 is to young man, you gonna risk a lot.

Do you NOT want kids later in life? Do you want low test for the rest of your life (depression, small muscles, pot belly)? Do you want erectile dysfunctions? Many many more....

If you answered YES to those questions, have fun with your cycle! Is it worth it to you?

I can tell you already that if you arent making any gains at 21, then your diet is screwed or your works outs are screwed...or maybe your not being consistent enough...have you asked your self those things?

So you take these steroids , you get big for 8 weeks, after that, your diet still the same...YOU LOSE ALL OF IT...plus now you got the sides...

Is it worth it? Prove to yourself you can stick with a diet and workout plan for a while...

**dec11** · 02-18-2011, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by mike0927

I eat and eat and eat, 600 or so calories every 2 hours as long as im awake. My diet is in check, been like this for year with only about 3 pounds gained, and thats shit. Its time to see some results.

i bet it isnt, go post it in the diet section
you wont get aas advice here as you are too young and can do serious damage by using them

**dec11** · 02-18-2011, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by mike0927

Ive been training naturally since age 16, back then i was about 5'10" 145. Now im 21, 6' and 176 (very lean). Haven't been able to make much gains in 4-5 months of hard training despite eating over 4k calories and 300g protein a day. I think its finally time for a first cycle.

I was going to take sustanon , but I decided to take test prop so it will kick in right away and so i can start post cycle shortly after. It seems counter productive to take something that will suppress you but hardly give gains for the first few weeks.. but i suppose for long cycles its more convenient..

So far I think ill take the prop for 8 weeks at 50mg ed. My first question is for how long will i see good gains from the prop? I would like to run it for 10 weeks if ill continue to see gains.. The prop I have is virormones.

Also I plan to take anavar for the last 6 weeks at 60mg ed, maybe bump it up to 80 for the last couple weeks depending on how i feel. All the orals i have are GP, including the AI's..

I will be running proviron at 25mg ed to free up some test, and also arimidex at .25 eod up until i begin pct.

So basically:
Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 50mg/ed
Weeks 1-8 Proviron 25mg/ed
Weeks 1-8 Adex .25mg/eod
Weeks 3-8 Anavar 60mg/ed

Then 3 days after last shot of test:
Weeks 9-14 Nolvadex 20mg/ed
Weeks 9-11 HCG 500IU/ed
Weeks 9-12 Aromasin 20mg/ed

On a short cycle like this would hcg at the the end be fine or should i concider running it throughout? And if i did run it the whole time whats the dose? Ive heard 250IU twice a week.

Ill be taking Liv52 throughout and post cycle, plus eating like a fiend.

I have the money to take IGF-1 LR3 post cycle, if i did this it would be 2x 20mcg into muscles just worked, and on training days only. So 40mcg 5-6 times a week for 5 weeks. Ive heard amazing things about this from a few guys I know saying they felt like they "grew into their gains."

Anyway bros thats my cycle and im so stoked, just waiting on the aromasin and proviron and i can begin!

Let me know what you think!

waste of money

**mike0927** · 02-18-2011, 01:20 PM

Please link me to this. In my research the only side that seems to increase with younger age is the sealing of growth plates. If anything I would think the HPTA could bounce back even easier at my age, but i could be wrong.

**tramar** · 02-18-2011, 01:24 PM

Why not bump the calories up to around 5000 if you are very lean, you could maybe squeeze some good natural gains for the next year or two, perhaps hitting 200lbs

**mike0927** · 02-18-2011, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by tramar

Why not bump the calories up to around 5000 if you are very lean, you could maybe squeeze some good natural gains for the next year or two, perhaps hitting 200lbs

im around 5-6% bf right now, and 176 is a morning weight, usually im around 183-185 by the end of the day. I just dont gain much weight.. Keep getting stronger and stronger though, max bench was 365 a month ago and 405x5 back squat the other night.

**dec11** · 02-18-2011, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by mike0927

im around 5-6% bf right now, and 176 is a morning weight, usually im around 183-185 by the end of the day. I just dont gain much weight.. Keep getting stronger and stronger though, max bench was 365 a month ago and 405x5 back squat the other night.

yeah right, your head is full of white mice kid

**layeazy** · 02-18-2011, 03:24 PM

why the privoron dude age body weight and obviously cycle knowledge isn't up to par man more research give it ateast 3 more years...

**songdog** · 02-18-2011, 03:36 PM

Tooooo youg for aas.Diet section

**SlimmerMe** · 02-18-2011, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by mike0927;5533***

Please link me to this. In my research the only side that seems to increase with younger age is the sealing of growth plates. If anything I would think the HPTA could bounce back even easier at my age, but i could be wrong.

Not exactly the case because once you mess with your TONS of natural hormones while still peaking right now, you risk getting used to the synthetic test and once this happens you never return to the high test levels you had before you started.

AAS is for people who have maxxed out their hormones along with a perfect diet and training. If not, then whatever you gain will be lost anyway and along with that loss goes your natural test production. And when this happens, you will be yet one more coming back here begging for help since you now have ED and do not know what in the heck to do about it. It breaks my heart when I see this.

**Dunk** · 02-18-2011, 05:51 PM

Post said perfect diet / training routine.

**cro** · 02-18-2011, 06:50 PM

this is the 2nd post that someone said there at 5% bf whats with the bs....

**bruary17** · 02-18-2011, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by mike0927

im around 5-6% bf right now, and 176 is a morning weight, usually im around 183-185 by the end of the day. I just dont gain much weight.. Keep getting stronger and stronger though, max bench was 365 a month ago and 405x5 back squat the other night.

5% bf.....21 yrs old.....moving that kinda weight?? Did you poop today? 'Cause your full of SHIT!