first time steroid cycle:)

**austin4590** · 02-20-2011, 12:50 PM

i am 21 years old i have been lifting for 5 years i am 6'2 206 with 10% bodyfat. i have done some research on gear would like to start my first cycle.i was thinking of using test e at either 250mg/week for 8-10 weeks or 500mg/week for 8-10 weeks could anyone give me advice on how much i should take as well as how much nova to take with that and do i do clomid thearapy pct?

**Deskilla37** · 02-20-2011, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by austin4590

i am 21 years old i have been lifting for 5 years i am 6'2 206 with 10% bodyfat. i have done some research on gear would like to start my first cycle.i was thinking of using test e at either 250mg/week for 8-10 weeks or 500mg/week for 8-10 weeks could anyone give me advice on how much i should take as well as how much nova to take with that and do i do clomid thearapy pct?

Your going to get flamed for being 21. but 500mg a week, novla 40/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50

**Shroud83** · 02-20-2011, 01:15 PM

I'm going to comment on this because I've been researching it myself for the last two weeks straight for my own first cycle. Bear in mind that this is based on my own research on NOT personal experience.

Also be forewarned that based on your age you will likely be told to wait a few more years to start on the gear.

Test E is excellent of course for both beginners and advanced users. For a first time user who isn't in a rush 250mg/wk for 10 weeks seems to be the most recommended.

Normally it's recommended to have Nolva on hand in the event you start to develop symptoms of gyno. "If problems occur one is best to start on 20 mg of Nolvadex per day and stay on that until problems subside." (from my research)

Either Nolva or Clomid can be used for PCT although it seems like Clomid is preferred. PCT normally STARTS about two weeks after your last injection of Test E and runs for 3-4 weeks. Here is a typical Clomid PCT dosage:

Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day

I hope that helps you. There is a plethora of information both on this forum and other articles on the web, I highly recommend you read all you can. Unfortunately you will run into some conflicting information but it seems like, while there is a WRONG way to do gear, there are several "right" ways to do it and you have to find what works best for you.

My personal strategy is to make sure I have ALL of this stuff on hand before I start my cycle so that if I need to make adjustments I'm not scrambling for a source last-minute.

Recommended reading: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...evised-Edition

-Shroud

**Rick1796** · 02-20-2011, 01:42 PM

being so young I would suggest that you not do your cycle. Being so young i am sure you will probably do it anyway because you think you know better. Agree that oyu should have your pct on hand from the beginning of the cycle.

**Swifto** · 02-20-2011, 01:55 PM

Wait.

**X83** · 02-20-2011, 02:08 PM

Don't do it yet!

**austin4590** · 02-20-2011, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by X83

Don't do it yet!

why is it not a good idea to do steroids at 21? i could understand if i was 18 but 21? it says on steroid .com the questions you ask yourself before you start cycling one of them is are you over 18? if its about stunted growth i dont care im already like 6'2-6'3

**Tigershark** · 02-20-2011, 02:48 PM

Wait. You are too young.

**Tigershark** · 02-20-2011, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by austin4590

why is it not a good idea to do steroids at 21? i could understand if i was 18 but 21? it says on steroid.com the questions you ask yourself before you start cycling one of them is are you over 18? if its about stunted growth i dont care im already like 6'2-6'3

This is usually the first defense we hear from young useres. Either that or the whole Arnold argument. Let me ask you this.
If you are completely ok with having no erections the rest of your adult life or pissing blood because you shut your kidneys down, then by all means go for it.

**RaZr** · 02-20-2011, 02:51 PM

I wish Dec11 was here to tell these people to not advise people under 25 on how to cycle

Wait until your 24-25 so your endocrine system is fully developed read marcus thread the young and steroids Ill find you a link in a minute.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ids&highlight=

**nav13** · 02-20-2011, 02:52 PM

its not about stunted growth its the fact that you could lose all testosterone production leading to erectile dysfunction or even worse no more erections ever. That is why it is important to wait til you are 24 or 25. Not only that but your body is still producing plenty of testosterone for your body to grow naturally right now. No need to risk the possible side effects.

**marcus300** · 02-20-2011, 02:54 PM

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development

DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

**Deskilla37** · 02-20-2011, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tigershark

This is usually the first defense we hear from young useres. Either that or the whole Arnold argument. Let me ask you this.
If you are completely ok with having no erections the rest of your adult life or pissing blood because you shut your kidneys down, then by all means go for it.

And how would any of that be different if you were older?

**songdog** · 02-20-2011, 10:06 PM

You been warned.TO YOUNG!!!!!!!!!!

**tmtulcs** · 02-20-2011, 10:29 PM

I did my first cycle at 24. 6' 182 lbs. I had hit my plateau, or so I had thought. I did a cycle of 350mg test E for 12 weeks. I had good gains; both strength and weight. But it was over 2 years before I did my second cycle because I learned my limit was caused by my diet. It was the first time I had focused that hard on my diet and started to change/rotate my lifting habits. I really hope you wait. It would be a shame to screw something up long run for a hobby you might not be involved in 5 years from now.