Beginner starting new cycle

**Tither34** · 02-21-2011, 03:52 PM

So right now i have Anadrol50 and arimidex then using nolvadex as a pct. has anyone done a cycle like this i was recommended to try this stack from a friend.

**Bigd89** · 02-21-2011, 04:09 PM

What are your stats?

Age:
Height:
weight:
Lifting exp:
Cycle exp:

I personally would not cycle anadrol50 for my first cycle. Test e 350 a week in my opinion. Wait on vets to reply.

**Bigd89** · 02-21-2011, 04:09 PM

Bf% as well!!

**marcus300** · 02-21-2011, 04:13 PM

Stats please ^^^

Also thats a horrible cycle and you shouldnt do it.

**Tither34** · 02-21-2011, 04:14 PM

20
5'9
about 165
lifting about 4 or 5 years
first cycle
not sure of my body fat % never had it tested but id say fairly low since i see muscle definition

**marcus300** · 02-21-2011, 04:16 PM

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development

DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

**Tither34** · 02-21-2011, 04:23 PM

So have you guys personally taken anadrol before?

**Bigd89** · 02-21-2011, 04:26 PM

I've never cycled. It would be your best bet to listen to marcus.

**marcus300** · 02-21-2011, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Tither34

So have you guys personally taken anadrol before?

You have no base or foundation for steroids , if you took them they would be useless because you dont have a diet to support any muscle.

Anadrol isnt a good cycle, you have no idea what your doing or what your going to take,

Do you want to have probelms with your sex drive, do you want to be able to get an erection? do you want to shut down your natural testosterone when its not fully developed yet which could resulyt in you have low test for life and ending up on hrt in your 20's? do you want to risk this?

**Tither34** · 02-21-2011, 04:30 PM

so when would it be optimal to start taking then

**marcus300** · 02-21-2011, 04:32 PM

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

**Tither34** · 02-21-2011, 04:35 PM

Damn well looks like i jumped the gun on buying this shit then ha

**cerealkiller326** · 02-21-2011, 04:39 PM

Listen to Marcus. Everyone is different, any age under 25 shouldn't use AAS due numerous reasons. Even if one is over 25 at 5'10 123lbs doesn't mean he'll be ready for it either.

You have natural test, and hasn't peaked yet. Use that naturally, with proper diet and training, you should be able to achieve your goal. Hopefully by then you had decided not up use AAS.

**Tither34** · 02-21-2011, 04:54 PM

have you guys ever heard of a supplement called Forged SD extreme by transform supplements?

**cro** · 02-21-2011, 05:06 PM

is that a form of super /drol ,and if it is .it also is very dangerous to persons under 25.

Originally Posted by Tither34

have you guys ever heard of a supplement called Forged SD extreme by transform supplements?

**marcus300** · 02-21-2011, 05:10 PM

You need food, you have no base and that's due to you eating like a 168lb man, you want size you need to start eating.

**Tither34** · 02-21-2011, 05:23 PM

Listen i know the precautions of taking drol and im not going to start taking anything right now but i jus wanted some information about that Forged sd extreme because thats what it came in so im wondering if its fake or not and if i got ripped off