Winny only

[Winny only]

Hey,

Im 21 atm. have been training very serious since i was 15-16. I have bought 2 bottles of winny ( tabs ) for a cycle for 5-6 weeks 50mg ed. i'm not gonna use a PCT. although i bought nolva just to make sure if there is anything wrong.

Still i've a question left.

1. Im insicure about the losing hair thing of winny. I have thick her i don't think i'll lose hair during the cycle ?

my dealer told me i won't have to worry about it. because im young and only 1 winny cycle won't make me lose hair...
just wanna know what you guys think of it.

thank you,

[Ernst]

I call troll.

[Winny only]

lol?

[Winny only]

its first cycle bro just worrying about the hair loss that's all i have read several things thats why..

[Matt]

I wouldnt be concerned about hair loss....

I'd be more worried about the damage you could cause to your hpta and growth plates...

[Winny only]

my growht plates are closed for some years matt, im 1.8m now. i havent been growing since i was 16 just like my mom hehe

[Matt]

That still leaves the most important thing which is your hpta..

[Winny only]

you say i need a pct?

[Winny only]

winstrol doens't need pct because its working "oestrogeen" doesn't need anything to make ur test after ur cycle allright..

[Matt]

I call troll.

I think your right...

[Matt]

The young and Steroids
Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[Winny only]

but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.


every bb forum is saying 21+... but im 100% sure my growhtplates are closed.. wat did those 19-21 bbers have experienced with roids like winstrol..??

[marcus300]

Dont take steroids at your age, forget what you may think or you have seen that facts are by taking steroids at your age could result in low test for life, do you want to be able to get an erection? do you want low libido? do you want mood swings? see where i am going here!! your own hormonal system hasnt stopped growing so by shutting it down before its estabolished its pattern or output can lead to problems and trust me you dont want problems getting hard do you!!

You also dont know what your doing or what compounds can do,
stay away and eat more food and use your natural test.

[Winny only]

im thinking of doing it later but i think by myself why is every bodybuild forum which are a lot bigger than this forum no offence saying 21+ and there are logs of people who got absolulty no "basic" muscules like they are benching 60kg fore xample they are cycling.. with a lot of stronger stuff than winny only..
and come on winny only is a very light cycle..

[Winny only]

edit, no posting links to other sites or forums, marcusread that log

[marcus300]

You7 didnt read or understood what i wrote,

go back and re-read what i posted.

[Winny only]

marcus, winstrol doesnt "destroy" fully ur own test..

[Winny only]

i know it's not right to play on ur test on this age. but winstrol doesn't destroy it.. others like dbol deca will but winny won't.. words from my dealer

[marcus300]

You have no idea what your talking about or doing,

your 18yrs old, listen to the advice!!

You asked the question and everyone as told you, if you just going to argue on a subject what you have no idea about STOP POSTING because you dont know what your talking about or doing.

Your natural testosterone hasnt fully developed, you play around with your HPTA before its started to at peak or estabolish its pattern your risking serious problems, ive alread stated what they can be so your choice.

[Winny only]

im not sure wat im gonna do man, i was going to start it in a few months not now anyway. i'll think about it.. but it is true that winny doesn't fully destroy ur own test levels.. but i know that my dealer is only interest in money.. but i never heard so much about HPTA after winstrol only on other forums..

ill see thanks you for informmation ^^

[marcus300]

You will learn the hard way.

[Winny only]

hahaha :P haven't said im gonna use it m8. im just gonna think about it. but i must say this made me think even more about it

[Ashop]

Hey,

Im 21 atm. have been training very serious since i was 15-16. I have bought 2 bottles of winny ( tabs ) for a cycle for 5-6 weeks 50mg ed. i'm not gonna use a PCT. although i bought nolva just to make sure if there is anything wrong.

Still i've a question left.

1. Im insicure about the losing hair thing of winny. I have thick her i don't think i'll lose hair during the cycle ?

my dealer told me i won't have to worry about it. because im young and only 1 winny cycle won't make me lose hair...
just wanna know what you guys think of it.

thank you,

At 21 your too young. Hold off. Use your natural levels to your advantage while they are high.

[Winny only]

what about 30-40mg ed 5-6 weeks

[Matt]

I think you've had all the answers your going to get here....

[Winny only]

so, what about a low dosage like 30mg 6 weeks?

[dexta_03]

As a fairly young person myself at 23 who at one point was like you and considered steroids an 'easy' alternative. id listen to marcus and the advice the others are giving you on here. You're too young and clearly have a lack of knowledge in relation to steroids itll do more harm than good at this stage. I advise that you stick around these threads and do all the learning you can especially in regards to diet. I dont think anybody will give you the advice you're looking for..

[Megaroids]

I have used winny many years and i have never used pct..you really don t need it

[Ernst]

I call troll.

I so called it. Stop feeding the trolls, fellas...

[Flier]

I have used winny many years and i have never used pct..you really don t need it

Sounds like a short, overweight 17 year old with a short limb, banned twice, that used to troll the forum.....

[fukngruvn]

i know it's not right to play on ur test on this age. but winstrol doesn't destroy it.. others like dbol deca will but winny won't.. words from my dealer

well, by all means... take your dealer's advice (who wants your money) over the advice of experts here with 10+ years of steroid experience who only have your best intentions in mind...

[Winny only]

I so called it. Stop feeding the trolls, fellas...

stop listingin to this gayboy

yes i think ill do it some years later... but although im natural kinda maxed havent got any muscules since like 1 year..
changed my split today:

Mon: Chest
Tues: Quads + Hams

Wed: Back

Thurs: Shoulders

Fri: Bis + Tris

Sat: Rest

Sun: Extra Back or Leg day.

[Winny only]

tell me what you think about it

[Winny only]

any1 got experience with mass fx? legal test booster -.-

[marcus300]

All you need is food, its far more anabolic.

[Winny only]

i know, but wat you think of mass fx

[marcus300]

At your age you have the great deal of natural testosterone, you don't need some legal test booster all you need is more food, it will be far more beneficial for you. If you cant gain size naturally at your age your not doing something right and most likely it will be in your diet or training.

Forget natural test boosters.

[warren916]

Who cares about your hair bro.

You need to worry about more important things, LIKE YOUR HEART!!

Winny is the WORST on your lipid profile. Get blood work AT LEAST 3 weeks into your cycle. And before if you can afford it.

[marcus300]

^^^^ how many cycles have youe done and what age are you?

[fishizzle0927]

you guys still messing with this kid?..........

also like the avi change marcus