First Cycle, Primbolan, Anavar, Test?

**ODB12** · 02-22-2011, 07:58 AM

Hey guys, was looking for advice on the dosages and opinions on the gear i'm planning on taking on the cycle.

Firstly i'm 5'10, about 10%BF and about 183 pounds. I'm going on the cycle to put on some quality lean muscle in the off season for soccer in Europe. Soccer isn't the most physical of games, but the added strength edge provided its functional bulk would be amazing.

That said I was thinking of stacking primbolan, anavar and either tren /test or sustanon depending on your advice. I'm avoiding winstrol with it due to the dried joints?

I've been training properly for 3 years and though I know improving my diet and hitting the gym even more would equally as good i'm doing a masters at the moment so i'm dedicating all the time I have at the moment to both.

I know also my cardiovascular performance will go down during the period but I can doubly work on that after the cycle. The cycle would ideally be 10-12 weeks also?

Has anyone any advice etc?

Much appreciated.

**Noles12** · 02-22-2011, 08:13 AM

Age?

**ODB12** · 02-22-2011, 08:16 AM

Sorry 23.

**yungone501** · 02-22-2011, 09:14 AM

You should wait another 2-3 years before using any gear. Your body isnt really 'ready' nor has it fully matured...steroids could disrupt this process.

**ODB12** · 02-22-2011, 09:20 AM

Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it, its just that its kind of a now or never kind of thing sports peak wise. Any advice as to if I did start taking them? I know the ones I have listed above are not the most steroidy of steroids ?

**lil_herc81** · 02-22-2011, 09:34 AM

I think you may have a misconception on AAS. These are not going to automatically make you superhuman, you really need to stay focused on your training and diet. Then in a couple more years you can look into this. IMO being on AAS is a fully time ordeal, especially with diet and training. Not only on cycle but more so off cycle. Give it some more thought bro before making a decision. In addition to this I can tell you that that is not a recommended 1st cycle.

**ODB12** · 02-22-2011, 09:37 AM

Again thanks, believe me I have no misconceptions, i'm looking for achievable, sustainable growth. Nothing more, nothing less. Hence why I was thinking primo 350 mg/wk and Test cyp 250 mg/wk probably rising to 500 mg/wk fairly quickly.

**ODB12** · 02-22-2011, 12:16 PM

Ok so I've decided through research on Sustanon 250, and Primbolan both 500 mg/week. Has anyone any advice that doesn't consist of me being too young at 23? I have my mind set on it, as i'm sure you can all understand.

**yungone501** · 02-22-2011, 01:39 PM

Why would we advise you on what we advised against?

**ODB12** · 02-22-2011, 02:02 PM

I made this pretty simple.
I mean I listed all my stats, age, reason for going on them.
I even spelled out i'd be getting them regardless of any out there acting as my moral guidance and advising me against them.
And yet I still can't get one simple dosage answer, not even someone commenting on the steroids I suggested.
I mean Arnie was on them at 14, Barry Bonds at 21.
I'm a pretty elite sportsperson, though maybe not near their level at my age.
Guess I just better seek advice from my drug dealer instead, thanks muchly for the advice.

**dec11** · 02-22-2011, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by ODB12

I made this pretty simple.
I mean I listed all my stats, age, reason for going on them.
I even spelled out i'd be getting them regardless of any out there acting as my moral guidance and advising me against them.
And yet I still can't get one simple dosage answer, not even someone commenting on the steroids I suggested.
I mean Arnie was on them at 14, Barry Bonds at 21.
I'm a pretty elite sportsperson, though maybe not near their level at my age.
Guess I just better seek advice from my drug dealer instead, thanks muchly for the advice.

yep, see ya

**Symbifi** · 02-23-2011, 12:55 AM

I understand the age thing and advising him to wait a couple years. But if he's going to use them, why not give him the advice he actually needs instead of just telling him he's too young and leaving it up to whatever he happens to find elsewhere. I would give you the advice bro, but I'm a newb at this stuff as well. I do agree with them on you being too young, but that's based on just research I've done online myself. If you're going to use them anyways, I would definitely look at all the possible sides and what you need or possibly will need to combat them. I just listened to a "friend" and thank god I researched a little more during a cycle or else I could be in trouble now. (gyno) lol. Not something I really want to mess with. Anyways bro, sorry I couldn't be more help and I hope you find the answers you really need. GL

**Tigershark** · 02-23-2011, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

yep, see ya

Agreed.

**Noles12** · 02-23-2011, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Symbifi

I understand the age thing and advising him to wait a couple years. But if he's going to use them, why not give him the advice he actually needs instead of just telling him he's too young and leaving it up to whatever he happens to find elsewhere. I would give you the advice bro, but I'm a newb at this stuff as well. I do agree with them on you being too young, but that's based on just research I've done online myself. If you're going to use them anyways, I would definitely look at all the possible sides and what you need or possibly will need to combat them. I just listened to a "friend" and thank god I researched a little more during a cycle or else I could be in trouble now. (gyno) lol. Not something I really want to mess with. Anyways bro, sorry I couldn't be more help and I hope you find the answers you really need. GL

So we are supposed to present dangerous advise "just this once" because he will do it anyways?

Well i personally will not go against my morals to advise someone that i feel is not ready for potentially dangerous compounds to be introduced deep inside of their body. You havent been here long but you will see, this happens multiple times a day. If we were to advise this one, then everyone underage would wonder why we wont advise them since we advised this guy.

I personally have been able to talk some sense into many guys that want to start too early for the wrong reasons. Saying they will do it anyways is taking an easy way out

**ODB12** · 02-23-2011, 12:45 PM

I don't understand why you reckon its dangerous? And while I respect your moral stance, just going your too young isn't really any kind of substantial advice what so ever. I've been doing blood tests since I was 16 on oxygen, hormone and biomechanical levels. I've reached my maximum output in terms of natural growth, this isn't some sort of easy way out. Its good to hear your morals would prefer someone to uneducatedly go to a dealer with no real vested interest rather than ask on a site that specialises in steroid information.

**ODB12** · 02-23-2011, 12:51 PM

@Symbifi, thanks thats the kind of actual response I wanted rather than some elitist bullshit stemmed towards not educating people.

**warren916** · 02-23-2011, 01:05 PM

We would rather you NOT go to a drug dealer for information!!

In regards.

First, recommended you get blood work done before. VERY important.
Take a look at lipid panels and that your blood pressure is good.
If your lipids and/or pressure is high, NOT A GOOD IDEA.
You want a heart attack at 40? The damage you do now can affect later.

Do you have any type of Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)?

Do you have anything to combat side effects of these drugs while using them? (anti estrogens, hcg )

Do you know anything about Gynocomastia? And what causes it? And how to avoid it?

You need to research more on PCT if you plan on keeping any gains.
And stuff that you may need while on your cycle.

Since your new to this stuff i would recommend test only, and a long ester like cypionate or enanthate .