Nephew is a wrestler and has shoulder issue/ scholarship on the line;VETS please help

**F-Genetics** · 02-23-2011, 12:00 PM

I wanted to ask you guys a question concerning my nephew. He means a great deal to me so I want honest feedback, because I don't want him to hurt himself. He is 18 and is double jointed in both shoulders, and he is a wrestler that is ranked in his state. He has issues with his shoulders dislocating partially or fully, because of being double jointed. I talked to my friend who is a chiropractor and he said, his ligaments are a little longer than normal; and this is why he is double jointed. I am trying to do research on the least possible harmful form of AAS for him. To try and hopefully get him past this shoulder issue.
I have not advocated the use of anything to him, I wan't to be clear about that. I am aware of the possible risks to his endocrine system and so forth.
I know the only way for him to get past this is to build up his his chest, back and shoulder muscles around the area to hold his shoulders in place.
I am thinking HGH might be the least harmful method for one 10 week cycle.
He has offers for scholarships, and only has a small off season in which to build his shoulders up, or loose the ability to wrestle and thereby loose his scholarship. I have talked to his mother (my sister)and we are both researching options. She has talked to his doctor and he is on board if we can find no other methods to help him. Consequently, he deals with a good amount of pain associated with this.

Please only comment if you are a Veteran user and know what you are talking about, and not just respouting information. This is my own blood here and I want to help him if I can, without harming him.

I did tell my sister at the least we need to start with x-rays to see if his growth plates are fused. Even though I doubt they are.

For the record, I do not advocate kids using. This is a unique situation that can effect the rest of his life, by missing out on college.

Sorry this is long.

**marcus300** · 02-23-2011, 12:22 PM

He doesnt need streroids or hgh IMHO, he needs to build some natural muscles tissue around his joints. The risk of using something at his age could create more problems than the rewards and in my opinion your better off advicing him away from steroids and more into training and looking at his diet.

**F-Genetics** · 02-23-2011, 12:28 PM

I have told him he needs to strengthen his shoulders if he wants to continue wrestling. I just thought HGH might be the least harmful approach, because of only having about 4-5 months to strengthen before his next season begins. His diet is good, I have been coaching him on that. So your suggestion would be just to bomb the shoulders and surrounding muscles, and just take normal supplements? I just don't want him to miss out on his scholarship/oppourtunity. Are there any supplements that you believe would help speed along this process without damaging him?

**cro** · 02-23-2011, 04:10 PM

i wrestled for years and this is no sport to have shoulder problems in .and steroids are not the answer , even lifting heavy weights could make the problem worse if it dislocates all the time. i would definetely be talking to a doctor for re-hab / preventative measures.

Originally Posted by F-Genetics

I wanted to ask you guys a question concerning my nephew. He means a great deal to me so I want honest feedback, because I don't want him to hurt himself. He is 18 and is double jointed in both shoulders, and he is a wrestler that is ranked in his state. He has issues with his shoulders dislocating partially or fully, because of being double jointed. I talked to my friend who is a chiropractor and he said, his ligaments are a little longer than normal; and this is why he is double jointed. I am trying to do research on the least possible harmful form of AAS for him. To try and hopefully get him past this shoulder issue.
I have not advocated the use of anything to him, I wan't to be clear about that. I am aware of the possible risks to his endocrine system and so forth.
I know the only way for him to get past this is to build up his his chest, back and shoulder muscles around the area to hold his shoulders in place.
I am thinking HGH might be the least harmful method for one 10 week cycle.
He has offers for scholarships, and only has a small off season in which to build his shoulders up, or loose the ability to wrestle and thereby loose his scholarship. I have talked to his mother (my sister)and we are both researching options. She has talked to his doctor and he is on board if we can find no other methods to help him. Consequently, he deals with a good amount of pain associated with this.

Please only comment if you are a Veteran user and know what you are talking about, and not just respouting information. This is my own blood here and I want to help him if I can, without harming him.

I did tell my sister at the least we need to start with x-rays to see if his growth plates are fused. Even though I doubt they are.

For the record, I do not advocate kids using. This is a unique situation that can effect the rest of his life, by missing out on college.

Sorry this is long.

**Bonaparte** · 02-23-2011, 05:23 PM

Have him get some Cissus and take 5+ grams daily.
No risk in that, and its cheap and effective.

**awms** · 02-23-2011, 05:46 PM

have him see an athletic therapist or physiotherapist who can rehab his shoulder...costly but alot cheaper then paying for on his own tuition!

Take 10-15g of omega 3 fish oil high in epa and dha split up in three doses a day taken with meals (This alone will work wonders in not only repairing shoulder injury but also reducing pain and inflimation!) I havea horrible shoulder and it works wonders!

Have him take a glucosamine, chondroitin, and msm supplement twice daily.

Take 1000 iu of vitamin D twice daily with meals.

steroids may or may not help but at his age Its not worth testing it out and the method I just posted it tied, tested and proven to works!

**awms** · 02-23-2011, 05:51 PM

p.s chiropractors are full of shit...many are like used car sales men and they can actually make the problem worse over time! go see a rehab specialist such as a physiotheripist or athletic therapist. I am a kinesiologist major and I wont even go see a chiropractor!

**bruary17** · 02-23-2011, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by cro

i wrestled for years and this is no sport to have shoulder problems in .and steroids are not the answer , even lifting heavy weights could make the problem worse if it dislocates all the time. i would definetely be talking to a doctor for re-hab / preventative measures.

^^ This! hgh is def not recomended. Good old fashion proper muscle and strength building under the close supervision of a PT is what he needs.

**CMB** · 02-23-2011, 09:49 PM

I'm not sure, I see that you're clearly in a tight situation but does this mean you should give your nephew steroids ? I don't think so...

Just start him on a protein full diet and lifting.

**songdog** · 02-23-2011, 10:17 PM

I dont think he needs your wisdom or lack of.

**layeazy** · 02-24-2011, 01:04 AM

Its a tough situation but AAS and HGH is his health less important that a college...

If it improves then great if it doesn't then you have to be realistic shoulders and wrestling so very important you may just have to let it go...

**APIs** · 02-24-2011, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by layeazy

Its a tough situation but AAS and HGH is his health less important that a college...

x 2. There are other ways for him to get through college. Be realistic, he's just a kid. The responsible answer is turning the situation over to a reputable orthopedic surgeon. No offense, but when you play doctor, you have a fool for a patient...

**Pac Man** · 02-24-2011, 02:42 PM

He's young, he doesn't need aas to build muscle. 4-5 month of preventative/rehab exercises along with a good routine and diet, there is no reason he couldn't be ready by the next match UNLESS he's already injured

**spiketannin** · 02-24-2011, 02:49 PM

did you say your doctor is on board for giving him steroids ? if so wtf kind of crazy doctor do you have? do you live in mexico?

Originally Posted by F-Genetics

I wanted to ask you guys a question concerning my nephew. He means a great deal to me so I want honest feedback, because I don't want him to hurt himself. He is 18 and is double jointed in both shoulders, and he is a wrestler that is ranked in his state. He has issues with his shoulders dislocating partially or fully, because of being double jointed. I talked to my friend who is a chiropractor and he said, his ligaments are a little longer than normal; and this is why he is double jointed. I am trying to do research on the least possible harmful form of AAS for him. To try and hopefully get him past this shoulder issue.
I have not advocated the use of anything to him, I wan't to be clear about that. I am aware of the possible risks to his endocrine system and so forth.
I know the only way for him to get past this is to build up his his chest, back and shoulder muscles around the area to hold his shoulders in place.
I am thinking HGH might be the least harmful method for one 10 week cycle.
He has offers for scholarships, and only has a small off season in which to build his shoulders up, or loose the ability to wrestle and thereby loose his scholarship. I have talked to his mother (my sister)and we are both researching options. She has talked to his doctor and he is on board if we can find no other methods to help him. Consequently, he deals with a good amount of pain associated with this.

Please only comment if you are a Veteran user and know what you are talking about, and not just respouting information. This is my own blood here and I want to help him if I can, without harming him.

I did tell my sister at the least we need to start with x-rays to see if his growth plates are fused. Even though I doubt they are.

For the record, I do not advocate kids using. This is a unique situation that can effect the rest of his life, by missing out on college.

Sorry this is long.

**Bonaparte** · 02-24-2011, 09:42 PM

Here's the thing: he's already seriously injured just from HS wrestling. College is WAY tougher (I wrestled in HS and a bit in college. 2 of my closest friends wrestled on D1 scholarships), so he'll just get reinjured in the first month of practice anyway and eventually lose his scholarship. If he isn't naturally tough as nails and injury-resistant, he isn't going to make it anyway.

**sixoner** · 02-24-2011, 10:38 PM

I was a varsity wrestler as well state ranked and two seasons in college. if his shoulder(s) come out of socket he's got no future in wrestling or a wrestling scholarship.

another thing. using anabolics or growth in order to overcome injuries and enhance performance to achieve a scholarship creates an unfair advantage to others competing for the same opportunity naturally. its dirty ass cheating plain and simple.

sorry to hear about your nephew bud, some things just aren't meant to happen. perhaps through hard work and rehab he can overcome his injuries or predispositon to injury. if not i hope he learns how to deal with things in a different manner than resorting to cheating

tell him to hit the books and study his ass off his mind can't come out of socket and fail him like a shoulder