Cycle without Test

[JusLiftIt]

I'm thinking about (in the future) doing a nice lengthy cycle of Var and Winni maybe throwing in a little bit of Clen and t3 together at some point, No test or tren this time around I'd like to take a break from that part for awhile.
Anyone have anything ta say or what you have tried and think works really well?
Also Is there a need for some sort of PCT after this?
Stats:
6'4
278 lbs
15% bf
10+ yrs lifting exp.
Diet is in check and so is cardio.

[MACHINE5150]

if you are not concerned with the Winny drying out your joints than i suppose there is no reason you couldn't do that.

[JusLiftIt]

if you are not concerned with the Winny drying out your joints than i suppose there is no reason you couldn't do that.

You think if I take it in a moderate dose it could still have some good effects and minimize my ''Drying of the joints"?
I always here that you need a PCT cycle after every cycle you complete, Any suggestions on what PCT you'd do for this particular cycle?

[JusLiftIt]

Anyone??? haha

[warren916]

And if your not concerned with Winny takin a crap all over your heart (lipids) then go for it.

[scotty51312]

What do you consider a lengthy cycle? how many weeks and doses of each compound?

[MACHINE5150]

What do you consider a lengthy cycle? how many weeks and doses of each compound?

yeah.. we need some numbers man.. just saying you wanna take some anavar and winny doesn't really give us enough info to discuss anything really

[JusLiftIt]

I was thinking a 12 week cycle.
1-12 40-60mgs var/ED
1-12 300 mcgs GHRP-6/ED Before Bed
4-7 50mcgs T3&Clen/ED
8-12 40mgs Winni/ED

[JusLiftIt]

Is that okay?

[MACHINE5150]

I was thinking a 12 week cycle.
1-12 40-60mgs var/ED
1-12 300 mcgs GHRP-6/ED Before Bed
4-7 50mcgs T3&Clen/ED
8-12 40mgs Winni/ED

you want to stack keto onto the clen if you are gonig to run it 4 weeks.. it loses effectivenesss after 12-14 days.. sop either cycle clen 2 weeks on 2weeks off the whole cycle or do as you said but add keto.. .. i don't know anything about GHRP though.. the rest looks good

[JusLiftIt]

Okay You know I actaully like the 2 on 2 off with the clen I think im going to go with that! Thanks!

[awms]

Whay winny? tbol would be a much better choice! easy on the live, better for your joints and shouldnt shut you down as hard although any steroids will shut you down to a certain extent.

Oral only cycles are not recommended but if you are going to do one try var and tbol for 6 weeks.

60mg tbol/40mg var weeks 1-3
80mg tbol/60mg var weeks 4-6

pct nolva and clomid for 3 weeks post cycle

[JusLiftIt]

Whay winny? tbol would be a much better choice! easy on the live, better for your joints and shouldnt shut you down as hard although any steroids will shut you down to a certain extent.

Oral only cycles are not recommended but if you are going to do one try var and tbol for 6 weeks.

60mg tbol/40mg var weeks 1-3
80mg tbol/60mg var weeks 4-6

pct nolva and clomid for 3 weeks post cycle

Well see I'm actually not to familiar with Tbol.. In terms of I haven't used it before. Will I gain a lot of weight off of it????
I'm already 278lbs haha

[awms]

yeah its a great compound! you wont throw on size like you would with dbol and adrol but the gains you get are very lean, and its a great strength compound...imo its a much better compound then winny because it will yield similar results with less sides (not as hard on the liver, doesnt dry out joints, wont cause hair loss). Think of it as dbol without the bloat....in 6 weeks you should be able to throw on atleast 10 learn lbs if your diet is proper.

[awms]

Why not throw in some test? are you afraid to pin?

[dec11]

ah ha, nobodys pointed out shutdown? and with no test being used that isnt going to be much fun. and OP if you're questioning as to why pcts are run, you need to research alot more beforehand

[dec11]

what age are you?

[PT]

im sure you'll be fine doing it, quite a few people including myself have with decent results

[scotty51312]

var only isn't that suppressive, not sure if that in combination with winny will shut you down, but I'm sure you'll experience some suppression, I'd run a standard 5 weeks nolva/clomi PCT after that. Not that I would ever run a cycle without test.

[JusLiftIt]

Okay I gotch ya Well thanks guys for all the info! I'm really looking forward to changing some things up!

[JusLiftIt]

Why not throw in some test? are you afraid to pin?

hahaha No I'm not afraid to pin im really used to it actually. Just wanted to try sumn new.

[MACHINE5150]

hahaha No I'm not afraid to pin im really used to it actually. Just wanted to try sumn new.

might not be a bad idea to run a maintenance dose of like 200mg of test e just to make sure your pecker works and all.. if you do, then stop the test at week 10 or 11.

[JusLiftIt]

might not be a bad idea to run a maintenance dose of like 200mg of test e just to make sure your pecker works and all.. if you do, then stop the test at week 10 or 11.

Yea I was thinkin that... hmm

[dec11]

might not be a bad idea to run a maintenance dose of like 200mg of test e just to make sure your pecker works and all.. if you do, then stop the test at week 10 or 11.

^^^x2, id run it to wk11 start pct 2wks later

[songdog]

A cycle without test is like sex without cumming

[JusLiftIt]

^^^x2, id run it to wk11 start pct 2wks later

Alright so test-e lasts about 10-11 days in the body so im gonna do a maintenance dose of it at 200mg. Lets say once a week cuz it lasts a good amount of time in the body. So I was gonna run nolva at pct time also but some people prefer to run it during the cycle and pct any thoughts on this?

[dec11]

Alright so test-e lasts about 10-11 days in the body so im gonna do a maintenance dose of it at 200mg. Lets say once a week cuz it lasts a good amount of time in the body. So I was gonna run nolva at pct time also but some people prefer to run it during the cycle and pct any thoughts on this?

its only run during cycle if gyno symtoms appear, 10mg pd until syms go away, you do not have to take it throughout the cycle. pct starts 14days after last test inject

[JusLiftIt]

its only run during cycle if gyno symtoms appear, 10mg pd until syms go away, you do not have to take it throughout the cycle. pct starts 14days after last test inject

Okay cool that's what I thought thank you for confirming!