1st dbol only cycle

[tomik]

Im thinking of doing dianabol only cycle, 20mg/ a day, I want to gain reasonable weight but want to keep 50-70% of it after i use it. What gains would i get, how much would i loose after? It's my first cycle, i never used steroids before.

Im 20 years old, 6"2 (round 188cm), weight 180 pounds (82kg's). I been training for the last 3 years on and off.

Any suggestions ?

[dec11]

i suggest you dont.
read the educationals on young use

[pskyle]

I suggest you run it for 4 weeks at anywhere from 30-50mg ED. How much you gain and keep after will depend on your diet and how your body responds to the dbol. You will probably lose approximately 50% of the gains.

[Noles12]

This is from marcus on another person of your age:

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

Dbol only is a horrible cycle. It will shut you down, cause estrogenic sides, bloat you, and you will lose most if not all of your gains. Please do not listen to pskyle's post above. It is horrible advice

[dec11]

I suggest you run it for 4 weeks at anywhere from 30-50mg ED. How much you gain and keep after will depend on your diet and how your body responds to the dbol. You will probably lose approximately 50% of the gains.

anymore reckless crap from you will be reported

[bjpennnn]

Don't run this and anyone who tells you to is a fool.

[pskyle]

anymore reckless crap from you will be reported

What? All of these noobs all know that it is suggested to run a simple test cycle at a mature age. They will ignore anyone who says so to them and will run w/e they wanted to run the wrong way. At least this way he can run it safely without getting hurt. I didn't mean to create a problem, and I am under the assumption that what I'm doing is not a bannable offense...is it? If so my bad.

[dec11]

What? All of these noobs all know that it is suggested to run a simple test cycle at a mature age. They will ignore anyone who says so to them and will run w/e they wanted to run the wrong way. At least this way he can run it safely without getting hurt. I didn't mean to create a problem, and I am under the assumption that what I'm doing is not a bannable offense...is it? If so my bad.

your a worthless troll, a quick look through your posts reveals tht pretty quickly.
anyone with sense wont listen to you. your one to call anyone a noob

reported

[Noles12]

What? All of these noobs all know that it is suggested to run a simple test cycle at a mature age. They will ignore anyone who says so to them and will run w/e they wanted to run the wrong way. At least this way he can run it safely without getting hurt. I didn't mean to create a problem, and I am under the assumption that what I'm doing is not a bannable offense...is it? If so my bad.

There is no safe way to run AAS at 20, especially Dbol by itself. He is too young to be on any AAS

[pskyle]

your a worthless troll, a quick look through your posts reveals tht pretty quickly.
anyone with sense wont listen to you. your one to call anyone a noob

reported

Wtf? How am I a troll? Lol keep reporting me, I haven't done anything that breaks the rules.

[Panamera]

Im thinking of doing dianabol only cycle, 20mg/ a day, I want to gain reasonable weight but want to keep 50-70% of it after i use it. What gains would i get, how much would i loose after? It's my first cycle, i never used steroids before.

Im 20 years old, 6"2 (round 188cm), weight 180 pounds (82kg's). I been training for the last 3 years on and off.

Any suggestions ?

Kinda light for your height- and you are still only 20. It would be easy to put on another 20 lbs in the next year or so. Forget roids- lets see the diet. OH- and don't do a Dbol only cycle. That is an idiotic idea.

[Honkey_Kong]

Im thinking of doing dianabol only cycle, 20mg/ a day, I want to gain reasonable weight but want to keep 50-70% of it after i use it. What gains would i get, how much would i loose after? It's my first cycle, i never used steroids before.

Im 20 years old, 6"2 (round 188cm), weight 180 pounds (82kg's). I been training for the last 3 years on and off.

Any suggestions ?

Look Tomik, you're too young for steroids. On top of that, you should build all your cycles around a testosterone base. I think it'd be in your interest to spend the next few years researching AAS. Then when you're old enough, you'll know whether or not they are for you and you'll be able to safely setup a cycle/pct if you decide they are.

You can make good gains naturally, by training and dieting properly.

[SMcB]

This is from marcus on another person of your age:


Dbol only is a horrible cycle. It will shut you down, cause estrogenic sides, bloat you, and you will lose most if not all of your gains. Please do not listen to pskyle's post above. It is horrible advice

Shutdown/estrogenic sides/bloat/loss of gains. Couldn't you say the same thing about any anabolic steroid cycle, and not just oral only cycles? I'm really curious to see how many actually used both oral only cycles (+PCT) and injectable only cycles (+PCT) to compare sides and how much gains were kept. Everyone seems to speak out against oral only cycles but how many actually tried it? I always seem to find out conflicting information...

Ask William Llewellyn: Are Gains More Permanent with Oral Steroid Cycles?

Question:
I’ve been on and off steroids for years. I respond well to them even at pretty low doses (300-600mg/week), but always crash afterwards no matter what I do. Lately I’ve been trying something different. For the past 12 weeks I’ve been taking 100mg of orals (Winstrol, Dianabol, Anadrol) per week, and have slowly been gaining size (about 5 pounds of lean mass) and strength. I am hoping this will produce more permanent gains; less estrogen conversion to worry about and it shouldn’t suppress my natural testosterone. Do you have any knowledge of the efficacy of low-dose long-term use of anabolics?

Answer:
Given that most of the oral anabolics have less estrogenicity than the standard of reference (testosterone), you should find that size is better maintained at the conclusion of a cycle compared to injectable testosterones, as you are holding, and as a result will be excreting, less water weight. When all is said and done, you’ll seem to hold more of the weight you gained on oral anabolics simply because more of what you gained was quality muscle (not water bulk) in the first place. Anadrol is an exception among your list as it is highly estrogenic. Given the doses you are using, however, I suspect you will not notice this trait much, and (in line with what you stated) should be noticing some modest but measurable gains in strength and lean muscle mass. In the end you’ll probably gain more lean mass on a formidable dose of testosterone, but again, the difference between your on-cycle bulk weight and your off-cycle retained mass weight will be more noticeable on a cycle like this too.

If my math is correct, you are taking about 15 milligrams of oral anabolics per day. I don’t want you to be mistaken into thinking this is a “very low” dose. O.K., by some of the standards of excess today it may be considered low, but in a clinical sense it most certainly is not. Winstrol is given at a dose of 6 milligrams per day or less most commonly. When Dianabol was widely prescribed in the U.S., the common application was 5 milligrams per day. Aside from Anadrol, the doses you are taking are outside of the therapeutic range, and enough to present significant gains in lean tissue, as you have noticed. In fact, during the 1960’s and ‘70s fifteen milligrams per day was a common dose for athletes and bodybuilders. This level of use is also more than sufficient to suppress natural testosterone production, so you still going to have to deal with some type of crash at the conclusion of this cycle, even if it is less pronounced due to less water retention. As such, a proper PCT (Post-Cycle Therapy) program is probably a good idea to look at.

The main concern I have with this practice is the fact that you are applying a sufficient dose of c-17 alpha alkylated oral steroids each day, and it is continuing for a significant amount of time. The usual cutoff point is 6-8 weeks. Immediately, I would question what your serum lipids are doing. How are you HDL (good) and LDL (bad) cholesterol levels responding to this cycle? As you may know, oral c-17 alpha alkylated steroids present much more toxicity to the body than injectable testosterones (and related non-alkylated steroids). They tend to greatly shift the HDL:LDL balance in an unfavorable direction (increasing the risk of cardiovascular disease), and place some strain on the liver. While I wouldn’t be go so far as to say this type of practice is outright dangerous to your immediate health, I would most certainly recommend that you take caution. With any oral cycle, especially one going on for a prolonged period of time, you should be getting periodic checks on your lipids, liver enzymes, blood pressure, and general markers of health. If you find the drugs are placing too much strain on your body, they probably aren’t worth it. If you find such is true in your situation, you’d likely be much better off looking back at the old standby injectables like testosterone and nandrolone, which present no significant liver stress and have a much lower negative effect on serum lipids – crash and water retention be damned.

[dec11]

Shutdown/estrogenic sides/bloat/loss of gains. Couldn't you say the same thing about any anabolic steroid cycle, and not just oral only cycles? I'm really curious to see how many actually used both oral only cycles (+PCT) and injectable only cycles (+PCT) to compare sides and how much gains were kept. Everyone seems to speak out against oral only cycles but how many actually tried it? I always seem to find out conflicting information...

Ask William Llewellyn: Are Gains More Permanent with Oral Steroid Cycles?

Question:
I’ve been on and off steroids for years. I respond well to them even at pretty low doses (300-600mg/week), but always crash afterwards no matter what I do. Lately I’ve been trying something different. For the past 12 weeks I’ve been taking 100mg of orals (Winstrol, Dianabol, Anadrol) per week, and have slowly been gaining size (about 5 pounds of lean mass) and strength. I am hoping this will produce more permanent gains; less estrogen conversion to worry about and it shouldn’t suppress my natural testosterone. Do you have any knowledge of the efficacy of low-dose long-term use of anabolics?

Answer:
Given that most of the oral anabolics have less estrogenicity than the standard of reference (testosterone), you should find that size is better maintained at the conclusion of a cycle compared to injectable testosterones, as you are holding, and as a result will be excreting, less water weight. When all is said and done, you’ll seem to hold more of the weight you gained on oral anabolics simply because more of what you gained was quality muscle (not water bulk) in the first place. Anadrol is an exception among your list as it is highly estrogenic. Given the doses you are using, however, I suspect you will not notice this trait much, and (in line with what you stated) should be noticing some modest but measurable gains in strength and lean muscle mass. In the end you’ll probably gain more lean mass on a formidable dose of testosterone, but again, the difference between your on-cycle bulk weight and your off-cycle retained mass weight will be more noticeable on a cycle like this too.

If my math is correct, you are taking about 15 milligrams of oral anabolics per day. I don’t want you to be mistaken into thinking this is a “very low” dose. O.K., by some of the standards of excess today it may be considered low, but in a clinical sense it most certainly is not. Winstrol is given at a dose of 6 milligrams per day or less most commonly. When Dianabol was widely prescribed in the U.S., the common application was 5 milligrams per day. Aside from Anadrol, the doses you are taking are outside of the therapeutic range, and enough to present significant gains in lean tissue, as you have noticed. In fact, during the 1960’s and ‘70s fifteen milligrams per day was a common dose for athletes and bodybuilders. This level of use is also more than sufficient to suppress natural testosterone production, so you still going to have to deal with some type of crash at the conclusion of this cycle, even if it is less pronounced due to less water retention. As such, a proper PCT (Post-Cycle Therapy) program is probably a good idea to look at.

The main concern I have with this practice is the fact that you are applying a sufficient dose of c-17 alpha alkylated oral steroids each day, and it is continuing for a significant amount of time. The usual cutoff point is 6-8 weeks. Immediately, I would question what your serum lipids are doing. How are you HDL (good) and LDL (bad) cholesterol levels responding to this cycle? As you may know, oral c-17 alpha alkylated steroids present much more toxicity to the body than injectable testosterones (and related non-alkylated steroids). They tend to greatly shift the HDL:LDL balance in an unfavorable direction (increasing the risk of cardiovascular disease), and place some strain on the liver. While I wouldn’t be go so far as to say this type of practice is outright dangerous to your immediate health, I would most certainly recommend that you take caution. With any oral cycle, especially one going on for a prolonged period of time, you should be getting periodic checks on your lipids, liver enzymes, blood pressure, and general markers of health. If you find the drugs are placing too much strain on your body, they probably aren’t worth it. If you find such is true in your situation, you’d likely be much better off looking back at the old standby injectables like testosterone and nandrolone, which present no significant liver stress and have a much lower negative effect on serum lipids – crash and water retention be damned.

tell you what, you go for it and report back to us big shot.

and yes ive done dbol only, it was shite
the main point is the OP is a kid and should be doing any AAS

[Noles12]

Shutdown/estrogenic sides/bloat/loss of gains. Couldn't you say the same thing about any anabolic steroid cycle, and not just oral only cycles? I'm really curious to see how many actually used both oral only cycles (+PCT) and injectable only cycles (+PCT) to compare sides and how much gains were kept. Everyone seems to speak out against oral only cycles but how many actually tried it? I always seem to find out conflicting information...

Ask William Llewellyn: Are Gains More Permanent with Oral Steroid Cycles?

Question:
I’ve been on and off steroids for years. I respond well to them even at pretty low doses (300-600mg/week), but always crash afterwards no matter what I do. Lately I’ve been trying something different. For the past 12 weeks I’ve been taking 100mg of orals (Winstrol, Dianabol, Anadrol) per week, and have slowly been gaining size (about 5 pounds of lean mass) and strength. I am hoping this will produce more permanent gains; less estrogen conversion to worry about and it shouldn’t suppress my natural testosterone. Do you have any knowledge of the efficacy of low-dose long-term use of anabolics?

Answer:
Given that most of the oral anabolics have less estrogenicity than the standard of reference (testosterone), you should find that size is better maintained at the conclusion of a cycle compared to injectable testosterones, as you are holding, and as a result will be excreting, less water weight. When all is said and done, you’ll seem to hold more of the weight you gained on oral anabolics simply because more of what you gained was quality muscle (not water bulk) in the first place. Anadrol is an exception among your list as it is highly estrogenic. Given the doses you are using, however, I suspect you will not notice this trait much, and (in line with what you stated) should be noticing some modest but measurable gains in strength and lean muscle mass. In the end you’ll probably gain more lean mass on a formidable dose of testosterone, but again, the difference between your on-cycle bulk weight and your off-cycle retained mass weight will be more noticeable on a cycle like this too.

If my math is correct, you are taking about 15 milligrams of oral anabolics per day. I don’t want you to be mistaken into thinking this is a “very low” dose. O.K., by some of the standards of excess today it may be considered low, but in a clinical sense it most certainly is not. Winstrol is given at a dose of 6 milligrams per day or less most commonly. When Dianabol was widely prescribed in the U.S., the common application was 5 milligrams per day. Aside from Anadrol, the doses you are taking are outside of the therapeutic range, and enough to present significant gains in lean tissue, as you have noticed. In fact, during the 1960’s and ‘70s fifteen milligrams per day was a common dose for athletes and bodybuilders. This level of use is also more than sufficient to suppress natural testosterone production, so you still going to have to deal with some type of crash at the conclusion of this cycle, even if it is less pronounced due to less water retention. As such, a proper PCT (Post-Cycle Therapy) program is probably a good idea to look at.

The main concern I have with this practice is the fact that you are applying a sufficient dose of c-17 alpha alkylated oral steroids each day, and it is continuing for a significant amount of time. The usual cutoff point is 6-8 weeks. Immediately, I would question what your serum lipids are doing. How are you HDL (good) and LDL (bad) cholesterol levels responding to this cycle? As you may know, oral c-17 alpha alkylated steroids present much more toxicity to the body than injectable testosterones (and related non-alkylated steroids). They tend to greatly shift the HDL:LDL balance in an unfavorable direction (increasing the risk of cardiovascular disease), and place some strain on the liver. While I wouldn’t be go so far as to say this type of practice is outright dangerous to your immediate health, I would most certainly recommend that you take caution. With any oral cycle, especially one going on for a prolonged period of time, you should be getting periodic checks on your lipids, liver enzymes, blood pressure, and general markers of health. If you find the drugs are placing too much strain on your body, they probably aren’t worth it. If you find such is true in your situation, you’d likely be much better off looking back at the old standby injectables like testosterone and nandrolone, which present no significant liver stress and have a much lower negative effect on serum lipids – crash and water retention be damned.

Yes most AAS will shut you down but that is why we recommend test as the base of every cycle. It is to replace what you are shutting down. Dbol is horrible for estrogenic sides. IMO it bloats more than any other steroid and it is almost impossible to preserve the gains from it even with PCT.

The article you have posted speaks of 5-15 mg doses. Personally i have never come across anyone running that low of doses on Dbol. It is generally 30-60 mgs. at that dose alll of the sides i mentioned will be much greater than what was stated in that article

[SMcB]

tell you what, you go for it and report back to us big shot.

and yes ive done dbol only, it was shite
the main point is the OP is a kid and should be doing any AAS

Oops. You're right, OP is waaaaaay too young to even consider steroids. But you say you've actually done a dbol only cycle and it was shit? Good, this is exactly what I'm looking for is people's actual experience with oral only cycles. And I'm assuming you did proper PCT after? Thanks for sharing.

[SMcB]

fuggetahbout it, use tren

The kid's only 20. He shouldn't be using anything.

[CMB]

your a worthless troll, a quick look through your posts reveals tht pretty quickly.
anyone with sense wont listen to you. your one to call anyone a noob

reported

For some reason you come busting in on every thread making it look like you are more knowledgeable than everyone else.

For the OP, you can run a dbol only cycle, but it isn't suggested. You should run testosterone with it from 250mgs to 400mgs a week.

My main concern is however that you are too young and I don't think you should be using any type of steroid at this age. Read some of the stickies above about safe steroid use.

[1230981]

lol this dudes probably like man **** all these guys tellin me not to use roids.... nah but for real i got a bunch of friends that are "man" enough to use gear but too ***** to stick a needle and they use oral roids and prohormones all the time like idiots no matter what anyone tells them and sure theyll gain 10-20 pounds for a month but then there right back down to tehre original weight when they come off after using nolvadex or clomid, dont do an oral only cycle your wasting your time and money.

[marcus300]

I suggest you run it for 4 weeks at anywhere from 30-50mg ED. How much you gain and keep after will depend on your diet and how your body responds to the dbol. You will probably lose approximately 50% of the gains.

Dont give advice if you dont know what your talking about yourself, it only makes our lifes worse trying to educate the newbies. You have been sent a warning please educate yourself before doing this again. Thanks

[f.batista]

too young to start,even if he already started lifting hard consistently since 15,and dbol only?you must be kidding me......

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

wow, this place is filling up with more and more dumb asses

[tomik]

I know that at this age i still should train cleanly, but whatever i do i just cant put on weight, its probably because of the family background. I thought doing 20mg a day with a good PCT would be fine for mine. Putting asside my age, and if i still go forward with doing it (doubting it) what should i add to it as i see dianabol only cycle is not the good choice, bearing in mind that i do not want to put loads of mass, just want to keep round 7kgs after.

[cro]

way to young / dbol only is horible.

Im thinking of doing dianabol only cycle, 20mg/ a day, I want to gain reasonable weight but want to keep 50-70% of it after i use it. What gains would i get, how much would i loose after? It's my first cycle, i never used steroids before.

Im 20 years old, 6"2 (round 188cm), weight 180 pounds (82kg's). I been training for the last 3 years on and off.

Any suggestions ?

[tomik]

dbol with susta ?

week 1-4 dbol 20mg/a day
week 1-10 sustanabol

plus ED and stuff,

[dec11]

Oops. You're right, OP is waaaaaay too young to even consider steroids. But you say you've actually done a dbol only cycle and it was shit? Good, this is exactly what I'm looking for is people's actual experience with oral only cycles. And I'm assuming you did proper PCT after? Thanks for sharing.

yes, strong for 4wks up 12lb, all gone afterwards and weak as a kitten, weaker than before i was natty. imo dbol is nothing more than a cheap quick water fix, ive neva kept much of it. i may try a tapering experiment with it nxt , now that im on trt, but i dont hold much faith tbh.

[dec11]

dbol with susta ?

week 1-4 dbol 20mg/a day
week 1-10 sustanabol

plus ED and stuff,

NO, NOTHING, you're too young period. learn how to eat and train

[dec11]

For some reason you come busting in on every thread making it look like you are more knowledgeable than everyone else.

For the OP, you can run a dbol only cycle, but it isn't suggested. You should run testosterone with it from 250mgs to 400mgs a week.

My main concern is however that you are too young and I don't think you should be using any type of steroid at this age. Read some of the stickies above about safe steroid use.

seriousily, you have to go, you complete and utter idiot. you've just laid out a cycle and then said he shouldnt do it??!!!! your a waste of forum space, all your posts are kiddy encouragement

i may not know more than other ppl but i sure as hell know enough to not endanger a kids health

[CMB]

seriousily, you have to go, you complete and utter idiot. you've just laid out a cycle and then said he shouldnt do it??!!!! your a waste of forum space, all your posts are kiddy encouragement

i may not know more than other ppl but i sure as hell know enough to not endanger a kids health

Haha, great... I'd be surprised if half your posts are bashing people rather than actually helping someone!

I clearly told him not to use steroids! Maybe you should finish reading my post hmm?

I'm finished arguing with you, it seems pointless to fight with ignorance...

[tomik]

why dont you give me some advice instead of saying i cant do it, i know it, i read it. Im still thinking and doing my research, i just want some advice for my 1st cycle if i decide to go for it.

[Honkey_Kong]

why dont you give me some advice instead of saying i cant do it, i know it, i read it. Im still thinking and doing my research, i just want some advice for my 1st cycle if i decide to go for it.

Telling you "no" IS good advice. I suggest you use it. You're 20 years old and shouldn't be messing with your hormones right now since you're still developing. Now, I ask you why at 20, are you ready to give up on natural training and wanting to get on the juice? Train naturally for another 5 years, be a supplement junkie if that's what it takes. But stay away from androgens until you're ready!

[MACHINE5150]

too many kids these days.. does this always happen this close to spring break?

[tomik]

The answer to your question is that i been training for good 2 years, i study sport so i do know what am i doing in a gym. I cant seem to gain weight, over past 2 year i only been growing up, not wide. Of course my strength has gone up, muscles grow a little bit, but there is nothing to grow from, i was born skinny and no food supplements seems to help that why i turned to this, and ofcourse some of the friends incfluence as they are my age and getting really good results.

[SMcB]

yes, strong for 4wks up 12lb, all gone afterwards and weak as a kitten, weaker than before i was natty. imo dbol is nothing more than a cheap quick water fix, ive neva kept much of it. i may try a tapering experiment with it nxt , now that im on trt, but i dont hold much faith tbh.

What did you use for PCT? Are you on trt because of the dbol cycle?

[SMcB]

The answer to your question is that i been training for good 2 years, i study sport so i do know what am i doing in a gym. I cant seem to gain weight, over past 2 year i only been growing up, not wide. Of course my strength has gone up, muscles grow a little bit, but there is nothing to grow from, i was born skinny and no food supplements seems to help that why i turned to this, and ofcourse some of the friends incfluence as they are my age and getting really good results.

Do you realize the permanent damage you could do to yourself if you use steroids at such a young age? So you say you've been growing 'up' but not 'wide'. This is even more reason not to take anything because it sounds like your body has not fully matured yet. Can you post your workout routine? You may be overtraining.

[Hazard]

why dont you give me some advice instead of saying i cant do it, i know it, i read it. Im still thinking and doing my research, i just want some advice for my 1st cycle if i decide to go for it.

It is MORALLY wrong to give you advice.....

What if I told you what to run and how to run it..... and then you either do something wrong or your body just doesn't recover as well? I don't need you comming on here telling everyone that Hazard said it would be ok and I sure as hell don't need your parents finding your gear or your threads and then linking them to me.

If you want to cycle AGAINST the advice given here..... then so be it..... but you will go at this alone because advising you on how to use shit that you aren't ready to use is MORALLY WRONG.

If you put half the effort into researching how to continue making natural gains you'd probably find that theres something your doing now that you can improve on. This isn't a quick fix..... it a comittment. It takes YEARS to build a good physique with or without steroids. The more hard work you put into it BEFORE you start cycling..... the more progress you will make when you finally decide to take the plunge.

~Haz~

[EZ E]

The answer to your question is that i been training for good 2 years, i study sport so i do know what am i doing in a gym. I cant seem to gain weight, over past 2 year i only been growing up, not wide. Of course my strength has gone up, muscles grow a little bit, but there is nothing to grow from, i was born skinny and no food supplements seems to help that why i turned to this, and ofcourse some of the friends incfluence as they are my age and getting really good results.

Let's see the diet and we can see if you are eating right.

[Tigershark]

Think I am going to add this to my signature.

[brolic272]

Haha, great... I'd be surprised if half your posts are bashing people rather than actually helping someone!

I clearly told him not to use steroids! Maybe you should finish reading my post hmm?

I'm finished arguing with you, it seems pointless to fight with ignorance...

edit- trying to start trouble.

[KyleJumpjets]

Man if ur that young its not a good idea. When I was 21 I took some bad advice and went ahead with a dbol only cycle. Not only did I lose whatever puffy gains I was making, I also ran into estrogenic sides. If I was u I would do my research and learn exactly what ur getting into.