deca test 47 year old newbe need help

**macdad** · 02-25-2011, 06:56 AM

Im 47 years old weigh 220 5'7'' been working out all my life on and off. diet is ok could be better. ( I know ) Was going no where with work out. started test. from doctor 100 ml ever two weeks three months ago helped a little not enough. started first cycle ever 100 ml deca and 100 test ever week for 5 weeks now im on week eight. been ok little gains not enough. Was told to go to 100 ml of both twice week started that at week eight. should I continue untill week twelve this way and stop for three months then start again. or go past 12 weeks do to the fact that I didnt do both deca and test twice week untill week eight. how long should i do my cycle and should i up dose. how long should i wait untill i start second cycle. and what do i do to clean my body on off cycle. thank you !

**bobsappfan** · 02-25-2011, 07:12 AM

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**eGGz** · 02-25-2011, 07:38 AM

I'm sure you mean mg (milligrams) and not "ml" (milliliters)
It's no surprise you aren't seeing much. You aren't doing much.
A typical test/deca cycle would look something like:
week 1-14 Testosterone @ 500mg
week 1-12 Nandrolone @ 400mg

**MBMETC** · 02-25-2011, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Kentaycappone

Start reading the pct threads because u need help. I'd run it at that low dose for 20 weeks but run the test at 250mg split into 2 shots, and the deca at around 100.
Run the test for 2 weeks after u stop the deca
Get some hcg and run that at 200iu EOD while your on cycle
Also run some arimidex at 0.5mg twice a week
and clomid 3 weeks after your last shot at about 50mg ED for a week

He's on trt no need to pct, op what you should do is drop the deca and cruise at your prescribed dose untill you go back for blood work and see if adjustments need nto be made in your dose. when everything is stable and you don't need to go to the doc often you can blast at 400-500mgs of test for 10-12 week. in the meantime get your diet and training in check.
what are your full stats
age
weight
height
bf%
yrs training

**38jumper38** · 02-25-2011, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Kentaycappone

Start reading the pct threads because u need help. I'd run it at that low dose for 20 weeks but run the test at 250mg split into 2 shots, and the deca at around 100.
Run the test for 2 weeks after u stop the deca
Get some hcg and run that at 200iu EOD while your on cycle
Also run some arimidex at 0.5mg twice a week
and clomid 3 weeks after your last shot at about 50mg ED for a week

Don't listen this guy, it is and IDIOT, doesn't know anything about, only 17 post and given advise like this???? Don't you see macdad going to a doctor? is on hrt or trt, this is a different thing? where in the world you run test for 20 weeks????

**bobsappfan** · 02-25-2011, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

He's on trt no need to pct, op what you should do is drop the deca and cruise at your prescribed dose untill you go back for blood work and see if adjustments need nto be made in your dose. when everything is stable and you don't need to go to the doc often you can blast at 400-500mgs of test for 10-12 week. in the meantime get your diet and training in check.
what are your full stats
age
weight
height
bf%
yrs training

Hcg on cycle?
Anti estrogen on cycle?
Most doctors don't know what there talking about when it comes to steroids so be careful

**bobsappfan** · 02-25-2011, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

Don't listen this guy, it is and IDIOT, doesn't know anything about, only 17 post and given advise like this???? Don't you see macdad going to a doctor? is on hrt or trt, this is a different thing? where in the world you run test for 20 weeks????

If your going to run deca for 20 weeks then u run test for 20 weeks u idiot

**38jumper38** · 02-25-2011, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Kentaycappone

Hcg on cycle?
Anti estrogen on cycle?
Most doctors don't know what there talking about when it comes to steroids so be careful

So, you are the smart around here, in case "the doctors" don't know anything?????????????????

**bobsappfan** · 02-25-2011, 08:08 AM

Dude pull your head in, my opinion is just as valid as yours. And for ur info I have studied some pharmacology and some chemistry, and some symptomatology. So I am educated i just have different beliefs to u, my opinions are well researched through clinical studies and reputable sources. My opinions may vary from yours but I thing the reader is entitled to use his brain and make up his own mind on how he wants to cycle

**bobsappfan** · 02-25-2011, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

So, you are the smart around here, in case "the doctors" don't know anything?????????????????

Dude pull your head in, my opinion is just as valid as yours. And for ur info I have studied some pharmacology and some chemistry, and some symptomatology. So I am educated i just have different beliefs to u, my opinions are well researched through clinical studies and reputable sources. My opinions may vary from yours but I thing the reader is entitled to use his brain and make up his own mind on how he wants to cycle

**MBMETC** · 02-25-2011, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Kentaycappone

Hcg on cycle?
Anti estrogen on cycle?
Most doctors don't know what there talking about when it comes to steroids so be careful

your right most doctors don't know what they are doing when it comes to ai's and hch on cycle. but i think at 100mgs prescriber dose erse should not be much of an issue. when blasting an ai and hcg would be recommended

**Flier** · 02-25-2011, 08:26 AM

LOL....
This is the by all all counts the best forum out there. Very informative and educational, and best of all; conservative!!
In addition, there are many times I get on here and get a really good laugh. Like when disagreements ends up in name calling.....by big men with lots of Testosterone flowing through their veins, with the need to vent......within limits of course :-))
Makes this forum a great place for information as well as entertainment :-))
Carry on!

**bobsappfan** · 02-25-2011, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

your right most doctors don't know what they are doing when it comes to ai's and hch on cycle. but i think at 100mgs prescriber dose erse should not be much of an issue. when blasting an ai and hcg would be recommended

Thanks mate

**Far from massive** · 02-25-2011, 11:23 AM

I just read this thread and while I am no rocket scientist myself, I often try to help people by taking what I have read many times and have found to be valid in my own studies. And parroting it to new members who are unaware of the majority opinion of experienced members. One thing I try not to do is to tell someone to take an action totally contrary to the majority opinion of experienced members.

I don't want to offend you kentaycappone but the advice you are giving seems to be contrary to everything I have read here over the past year. You would really suggest running deca and test for 20 wks and then attempting a PCT of clomid for 3 wks? I don't know what you have read to make you think that this is sound advice but in my opinion it would be a terrible idea.

I feel good advice has already been given stop the deca and self adminsitration of test, get your test injection amounts worked out to get your TRT blood levels where your doc wants them and then if you want to do a blast go ahead and do one at normal levels as you will see minimal gains at the levels you are doing and the self administered Deca will confuse the hell out of your bloodwork and keep your TRT doctor very confused ( unless he is sharp then he may just kick you to the curb for self administering drugs).

FFM

**macdad** · 02-25-2011, 03:54 PM

come on guys I need some experienced help here I dont want to hurt my self. The only experience I have is what ive read on here or what people have said in the gym. What is hcg ? what is armidex ? Is the 100 mg of deca and the 100 mg of test twice a week good ? by the way the doctor had me on 100 mg of test ever two weeks for low energy and to help with depression medication. my blood test showes test of 118 one week after test shot. I uped it myself. How long should I safely run like this. can anybody who knows give me advise thx

**MBMETC** · 02-25-2011, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by macdad

come on guys I need some experienced help here I dont want to hurt my self. The only experience I have is what ive read on here or what people have said in the gym. What is hcg ? what is armidex ? Is the 100 mg of deca and the 100 mg of test twice a week good ? by the way the doctor had me on 100 mg of test ever two weeks for low energy and to help with depression medication. my blood test showes test of 118 one week after test shot. I uped it myself. How long should I safely run like this. can anybody who knows give me advise thx

i gave you the answer already

**Flier** · 02-25-2011, 04:22 PM

U really need to get with your doc on this.
What was your test before you startet TRT?

Your doc need to up the dose to place you within the range.
Then when you are balanced, all levels in check, you can run a 10-12 week test only 400-500mgs/week, and see what that does for you.
No reason to mess with Deca when you´ll have great gains off test only.

There are loads of threads here on HCG , SERM´s, AI´s which will explain all you need to know. Check out the PCT section.
But sound like you´re on for life now , right?...U understand that?
Your balls will stop producing test, so no need for HCG, unless u want some size down there for cosmetic reasons.
You don´t need an AI (Arimidex ) unless u do higher dose of AAS, or if u see any Estro related side effects.

Anyhow, FFM pretty much said it all

**bobsappfan** · 02-25-2011, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

I just read this thread and while I am no rocket scientist myself, I often try to help people by taking what I have read many times and have found to be valid in my own studies. And parroting it to new members who are unaware of the majority opinion of experienced members. One thing I try not to do is to tell someone to take an action totally contrary to the majority opinion of experienced members.

I don't want to offend you kentaycappone but the advice you are giving seems to be contrary to everything I have read here over the past year. You would really suggest running deca and test for 20 wks and then attempting a PCT of clomid for 3 wks? I don't know what you have read to make you think that this is sound advice but in my opinion it would be a terrible idea.

I feel good advice has already been given stop the deca and self adminsitration of test, get your test injection amounts worked out to get your TRT blood levels where your doc wants them and then if you want to do a blast go ahead and do one at normal levels as you will see minimal gains at the levels you are doing and the self administered Deca will confuse the hell out of your bloodwork and keep your TRT doctor very confused ( unless he is sharp then he may just kick you to the curb for self administering drugs).

FFM

Sounds like good advice to me, I have minimal experience with trt I was just offering some options

**macdad** · 02-25-2011, 07:53 PM

thanks man thats the best advise Ive gotten yet. My test. is about 150 range just one week after a 200 mg shot. I know I will prob. be doing test for life. dont really like the fact that my balls will shrink. but I dont use them any way. done having kids. nice to have balls though ! so all and all 100 mg test and 100 of deca twice week for 12 to 16 weeks to get me over this hump will be ok ??