Opinion on my " Bulk " cycle

[C Dub]

Stats
Age-24
Ht- 5 " 11
Weight- 187
Bf- Around 11%
Cycle Exp - ONLY 1 previous cycle which was Test Prop at 75 mg ED for 8 weeks
Training exp - Around 1 year with proper diet/ training on and off since 17 with decent diet

Option 1 -
WK 1-10 Test Prop 75 mg ED or 150 mg EOD
WK 1-8 NPP 75 mg ED or 150 mg EOD

Or

Option 2 -
WK 1-12 Test E 500 mg x2 a WK
WK 1- 5 D bol 50 mg ED

Now for a bulker I know most of you would go with option 2 but wouldnt it be mostly about my diet? I believe I could bulk off either as long as my diet is in check and I up my calorie intake? I just would rather run a shorter ester and avoid the bloat/ water retention. Any other cycle reccomendations are welcome.

[C Dub]

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[fender99]

for opt. 2: did you mean 500mg/wk? if not 1 gram is way too much, im prolly just reading it wrong tho... and i have no exp. with NPP. however, i would run just the test w/o the dbol. i found it was more trouble than its worth with many possible sides and almost guaranteed bloat. Diet and training will determine your bloat with test IMO. longer esters do have a reputation for more water retention, but I personally believe its always avoidable. Try adding a small dose of an AI like arimidex if you start to notice undesirable sides. pct plans?

[eGGz]

#1 looks to be the choice to most easily avoid water/bloat.
You could go 9 weeks with the NPP.

[Calcium]

Id go with cycle 1, test and npp but cut the whole cycle down a week or so. Diet will determine bulk or cut rather than gear but cycle one is more of a drier cycle anyway because of the compounds.

[warlord_wang]

How much did you gain & keep off the first cycle? did run hcg through the whole cycle how was your pct? whats your pct for this cycle?

[MACHINE5150]

Option 1 has my vote.. you can get away with EOD injections too if the daily injections are an issue

[C Dub]

Option 1 -
WK 1-10 Test Prop 75 mg ED or 150 mg EOD
WK 1-8 NPP 75 mg ED or 150 mg EOD

I also want to add HCG to my next cycle and I also have exemestane ( aromasin ) on hand in case I need it. My pct for my last cycle was the standard Nolva 40/20/20/20 Clomid 100/50/50/50. I did not like clomid and would like to replace it and run Nolva with a different compound this time around. I still am not sure as to what would be the best replacement over clomid? Any suggestions? Also my first cycle I did ED injections and had no acne and no sides but the ED pinning was a pain in the ass so I think I may try EOD this cycle. Anyone have exp with ED vs EOD? I know ED would keep my levels more stable and I was thinking that may have been why I experienced no sides. I guess I just need to experiment for myself maybe?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

op, I ran the EXACT same first cycle as you. Then after I ran prop 75mg ED again but with 60mg ED of NPP. I think your planned dose in option one is too high. I'd recommend duplicating what I did, since we have the same ideas cycle wise. I have no interest in ever running test-e or test-c personally

[C Dub]

op, I ran the EXACT same first cycle as you. Then after I ran prop 75mg ED again but with 60mg ED of NPP. I think your planned dose in option one is too high. I'd recommend duplicating what I did, since we have the same ideas cycle wise. I have no interest in ever running test-e or test-c personally

How long did you run them for? Did you keep a log? How do you think 60mg would compare to 75mg ed of NPP?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

How long did you run them for? Did you keep a log? How do you think 60mg would compare to 75mg ed of NPP?

8 weeks together...no log...60mg amounts to 420mg per week, which is more than an adequate starting dose for NPP. Anything more and it's overkill

You can run these together EOD as well, in fact I'd prefer it. I regret pinning every day

[C Dub]

8 weeks together...no log...60mg amounts to 420mg per week, which is more than an adequate starting dose for NPP. Anything more and it's overkill

You can run these together EOD as well, in fact I'd prefer it. I regret pinning every day

Ya i would prefer EOD also after doing ED my last cycle

[C Dub]

Any recommendations on what to take for my pct to replace clomid with??

[C Dub]

Any recommendations on what to take for my pct to replace clomid with??

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[MACHINE5150]

Any recommendations on what to take for my pct to replace clomid with??

read this thread
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ed-08-12-09%29

tormifene i heard is the best.. but not to sure if ar-r sells it or not.. i have also read that you can get away with nolvadex alone for pct if you run HCG through your cycle.. i have never done this but have read that you can get away with it..

[C Dub]

Ya I'm looking for anything at this point, I will not run clomid again