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    Cycle Critique

    Broís, Iím working on a cycle for next spring. This will be my second; the first was eq/winny with great results. Iíve done the research and think this makes sense however....any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Stats:
    Age: 41
    Workout experience: 8 years
    Height: 5í-8Ē
    Weight: 200
    Body Fat: 14% (should be around 12% when I start cycle)

    Goals:
    Gain 15lbs +/- lean muscle. Strength gains and quality more important than mass.

    wk**eq*****prop****fina****winny
    1***1,000*********************
    2***1,000**100eod*************
    3***500***100eod**************
    4***500***100eod**************
    5***500***100eod**************
    6***500***100eod**************
    7***500***100eod***75ed*******
    8***500***100eod***75ed***75ed
    9***500***100eod***75ed***75ed
    10**500***100eod***75ed***75ed
    11********100eod***75ed***75ed
    12********100eod***75ed***75ed
    13************************75ed
    14***Clomid: Day 1 @ 300mg, 10 days @ 100mg, 10 days @ 50mg.
    15***Clen 14 days on, 14days off, 14 days on.

    Notes:
    Cranberry juice: wks 6-13.
    Milk thistle: 1,000mg/ed wks 7-14.
    Nolvadex : 30 Ė 10mg tabs on hand.

    Here are a couple of questions:
    1. Is there any difference in effectiveness of winny tabs vs liquid; assuming both are taken orally ?
    2. Do I need arimidex or liquidex?

    Thanks

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    good cycle. winstrol injectables and pills are the same thing. i've heard good things about both. you don't need liquidex or arimidex with this cycle, have nolva on hand but you won't even need that. might want to go with 500mg prop a week, you'll be looking at 300 and 400 a week doing eod. good luck.
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    First of all:

    You say you want 15lbs +/- lean muscle... Well make sure it isn't -15lbs of muscle...don't want that to happen , do we?


    Liq/Arimidex is always a good idea for water retention, but isn't NECESSARY..at least have nolva. Try 75mg of prop ed...that equals out to...what 525mg..Don't quote me on that calculation as I ain't in the mood to do math right now. Anyway, rest of cyc looks diesel buooy. You're gonna have some fun.

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    Whatever Winny you can get cheaper, get it. Not THAT big of a deal liquid vs. tab IMO.

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    if only ya knew how busy I am, appologies coming your way.

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    I like the cycle but if it where me id start off with enanthate or cypionate and then switch over to prop for the last 4-6 weeks. I would also do the winstrol in the beginning and the fina and prop at the end.

    Just me but either way its a good cycle

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    Originally posted by PaPaPumP
    Whatever Winny you can get cheaper, get it. Not THAT big of a deal liquid vs. tab IMO.
    Ok-tabs it is. they will be a lot more convenient.

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    Originally posted by The Iron Game
    if only ya knew how busy I am, appologies coming your way.

    btw my new e-mail address is [email protected]

    I like the cycle but if it where me id start off with enanthate or cypionate and then switch over to prop for the last 4-6 weeks. I would also do the winstrol in the beginning and the fina and prop at the end.

    Just me but either way its a good cycle
    No apology necessary IG

    I really struggled with the enanthate/prop thing, even laid out a cycle with 400mg enanthate through wk 8. Truth of the matter is having never done test I donít know which to use. If you guys think enanthate would be better Iím all over it.

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    I agree with starting with a long acting ester (T200 is my favorite) and run it at 600mg a week through week 10, then switch to prop at 75mg ed for the last 3 weeks. You could also run the fina for the first 6 weeks and then switch over to the Winny in week 7, but it doesn't really make much of a difference. Things still look good how they are.

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    Bear with me I'm learning here.....

    I went with prop because I thought eod would work. What I'm hearing is it should be ed which is to many pins (ouch).

    How about changing to: enanthate wks 1-8 @ 500mg, prop wks 9-12 @ 75mg/ed, liquidex wks 1-12. If I did it this way would you front load the enanthate wks 1-2?

    Appreciate the help.

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    Run the Enthante 500mg for weeks 1-6, then switch to prop ED 75mg. You'll be sticking fina ED anyway so it won't make a difference...

    For frontloading, i'd hit 250mg Enthante EOD for the first 2 weeks...

    Good luck bro, it's a nice cycle...

    marx

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    Looks good but why not test from the beginning? and IMO dex is not needed in a cycle like that, just have some nolv on hand

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    Reason is the last time (only time) i used eq it was 15-17 days before it kicked in. Wk 1 to give eq a head start to get the blood concentration levels up since it's a long ester and prop a short ester.

    Enthante I'd start wk 1.

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