How long before cutting after cycle?

[anabolicextreme]

So I am competing in a bodybuilding competition in july. I just finished an 8 week cycle of test enanthate 500mg/week and deca 400mg/week. I started pct today consisting of nolvadex and clomid. I plan on running this for a month. But my question is, when can I start cutting? I know while i'm on pct it would be a bad idea to cut because of the catabolic state that my body is in and dieting during this time would result in even more muscle loss. When can i start my cut for the competition? I'd like to start as soon as possible while keeping muscle loss to a minimum. Any suggestions are appreciated.

[eGGz]

Is this a drug tested competition ?

[anabolicextreme]

Nope, non tested

[Eazy20]

You only ran TE and Deca for 8 weeks?

[anabolicextreme]

Yes, but thats irrelevent. If you don't feel 8 week cycles are effective, check out Bill Roberts articles and research. Many of the professionals recommend shorter cycles. Everyone has their own opinions, but that is not relevant to my question and doesn't help at all. Any ideas on when I can begin dieting?

[awms]

8 weeks is plenty of time to put on size just not whith thoe compounds...the test would take about 3-5 weeks to kick in and deca 5-8 weeks so yes im sure you put on size but not a much as you could have with faster acting compounds.

Next time try test prop and dbol...much better for 6-8 week cycles!

[awms]

When did you start pct? should be 2 weeks after your last shot of test and the deca should have been stoped 2 weeks before that...if this is not the case then your pct is useless at this point.

[anabolicextreme]

I started today. 21 days after my last injection. and yeah i agree the faster acting compounds would have given more results, but as of right now i wanted to experiment with a long estered 8 week cycle to see how my body reacts. Typically shorter esters have more sides and I never really liked prop.

[marcus300]

You need to establish a solid diet for around 8 weeks after the end of your pct before you start cutting.

[awms]

well the whole point of a short cycle is to make quick gains and get out before you shut down hard. You used Deca which makes no sens in a short cycle because other then tren it is prob the hardest hardest steroids on your endocrine system or in other words it shuts you down hard!

In the future dont use deca in a burst cycle. If you want to use longer ester it is not recommended but imo you should front load for the first couple weeks and use an oral along side.

Example: 1000mg test and 40mg dbol a day week 1
1000mg test and 40mg dbol a day week 2
500mg test and 40mg dbola day week 3
500mg test and 40mg dbol a day week 4
500mg test week 5
500mg test week 6
50mg dbol a day week 7
50mg dbol a day week 8

Pct weeks 10-14

[awms]

Now as for when should you diet after pct? No one here can really give you a guide line...the obvious answers would be 8 weeks post cycle because your cycle was 8 weeks but the smart thing to do would be get blood work done to see how high your test levels are. I would say go get blood work done 12 weeks post cycle and things should be back to normal...if it all checks out then you should be ok to diet.

[anabolicextreme]

thank you marcus for the answer. and awms you are definitely right about that. You live and learn I guess. Although I did get some very nice gains from this cycle I won't be running anything like this again. I've actually been looking into Bill Roberts 2 week on, 4 week off cycle theory with short ester compounds and orals. I don't know about the validity of this but it makes sense. He claims recovery is extremely fast and 2 weeks on cycle is not enough for any compound to desensitize normal function. He claims that during the 2 weeks on, the pituitary is actually sensitized. Recovery is supposed to be very fast, and all gains are kept. Without the horrible recovery time that you suffer after a 10+ week cycle. Sounds interesting to me, i'm going to keep reading up on it. What do you think about this?

[marcus300]

thank you marcus for the answer. and awms you are definitely right about that. You live and learn I guess. Although I did get some very nice gains from this cycle I won't be running anything like this again. I've actually been looking into Bill Roberts 2 week on, 4 week off cycle theory with short ester compounds and orals. I don't know about the validity of this but it makes sense. He claims recovery is extremely fast and 2 weeks on cycle is not enough for any compound to desensitize normal function. He claims that during the 2 weeks on, the pituitary is actually sensitized. Recovery is supposed to be very fast, and all gains are kept. Without the horrible recovery time that you suffer after a 10+ week cycle. Sounds interesting to me, i'm going to keep reading up on it. What do you think about this?

Read my short burst cycle thread and my priming one if your interested in short cycles.

[awms]

thank you marcus for the answer. and awms you are definitely right about that. You live and learn I guess. Although I did get some very nice gains from this cycle I won't be running anything like this again. I've actually been looking into Bill Roberts 2 week on, 4 week off cycle theory with short ester compounds and orals. I don't know about the validity of this but it makes sense. He claims recovery is extremely fast and 2 weeks on cycle is not enough for any compound to desensitize normal function. He claims that during the 2 weeks on, the pituitary is actually sensitized. Recovery is supposed to be very fast, and all gains are kept. Without the horrible recovery time that you suffer after a 10+ week cycle. Sounds interesting to me, i'm going to keep reading up on it. What do you think about this?

No man stop buying into bill roberts crap...some of it is good but he is not the king of steroids. there are lots of theories out there about all kinds of dumb cycles but at the end of the day you should stick with what is tried, tested and true. Listen to the vets in here and some of the guys who have been around a long time!

You want to put on size and strength then just do a good old 10-12 week test cycle with an oral kick start...if you eat well and do proper pct you will keep most of what you gain.

[awms]

p.s shot burst cycles and "2 on 4 off" are more ment for experienced users who have plateaued and have run 10 plus cycles already.

[marcus300]

p.s shot burst cycles and "2 on 4 off" are more ment for experienced users who have plateaued and have run 10 plus cycles already.

Wrong, you need to do more research on the subject. Short burst cycle can be used by anyone at any level, dosages are worked of their cycle history or amount of experience

[awms]

your right they can but the point of them is to saturate your receptors and get out before your body reaches body reaches homeostasis. When you area "virgin" your receptors react to much smaller doses then somone who has done 10,15,20 cycles and when your a "virgin" your body can make better gains for longer because it take longer for your body to reach homeostasis...a experienced user reaches this point much faster!

The goal for an experienced user on a burst cycle is to hit the body hard with multiple coupound and make gains quick before the body can adapt....this means running 1000mg of test, using tren, using 50-100mg of dbol a day ect ect....for a beginner this is pointless and will do more harm then good.

10-12 weeks of test will yield better gains for you then any other cycle! and it wont burn out your receptors like a short burst cycle will.

[marcus300]

your right they can but the point of them is to saturate your receptors and get out before your body reaches body reaches homeostasis. When you area "virgin" your receptors react to much smaller doses then somone who has done 10,15,20 cycles and when your a "virgin" your body can make better gains for longer because it take longer for your body to reach homeostasis...a experienced user reaches this point much faster!

The goal for an experienced user on a burst cycle is to hit the body hard with multiple coupound and make gains quick before the body can adapt....this means running 1000mg of test, using tren, using 50-100mg of dbol a day ect ect....for a beginner this is pointless and will do more harm then good.

10-12 weeks of test will yield better gains for you then any other cycle! and it wont burn out your receptors like a short burst cycle will.

You havent a clue what your talking about.

[awms]

We will agree to disagree. Im not going to say you dont know what you are talking about because I dont know and to be honest we are all entitled to our own opinions so If you beleve short bust cycles are the way to go all the more power to you...I just really dont beleve they make sens for a beginer.

[marcus300]

We will agree to disagree. Im not going to say you dont know what you are talking about because I dont know and to be honest we are all entitled to our own opinions so If you beleve short bust cycles are the way to go all the more power to you...I just really dont beleve they make sens for a beginer.

Thats because you have no experience how to design them or how effective they can be for anyone newbies to experienced.

Short burst cycle dont burn your receptors out and short burst cycles if implemented correctly will yield far more than a standard 10 wk test cycle.

Short cycles either burst or standard can be used by a newbie,

Your way off with dosages and compounds, your talking about a subject you have no idea about, your on your second cycle and have no idea how to design a short cycle or implement one correctly.

Your logic regarding short cycles is way of and I would recommend you to do more research on them.

Lets get this thread back on track now, if you want to learn research more and start your own thread on the topic if you want to discuss it further.

[awms]

I really have no desire to argue and I understand you know you stuff. I am about to run my third cycle so yes I do not have as much cycle experience as you but my major in kinesiology and psychology gives me the ability to understand how the body reacts to what we put in it.

I have done research and it makes no sens to me to put somone with very little experience on a short burst cycle. 10-12 weeks test for the first two cycle is all somone needs...I have no issues with you I was more just trying to point out to this guy that 1# deca and short burst cycles are not a good idea, 2# This guy needs to just run a simple cycle

[awms]

I really have no desire to argue and I understand you know you stuff. No I do not have as much cycle experience as you but my major in kinesiology and psychology gives me the ability to understand how the body reacts to what we put in it.

I have done research on short burst cycles and it makes no sens to me to put somone with very little experience on a short burst cycle. I have no issues with you I was more just trying to point out to this guy that 1# deca and short burst cycles are not a good idea, 2# This guy needs to just run a simple test cycle and see how his body reacts

If he wants to run 8 weeks of test prop then ok that makes sens but deca and cyp does not.

[marcus300]

If you want to learn about a subject you have no idea about go and research it and learn from people who have the experience in that area.

Ive just looked at your previous threads and I know exactly what you know and don't know and you really need to educate yourself.

If you want to continue with this topic start your own thread on short cycle but I ask you again stop posting nonsense on this thread please, this topic got nothing to do with what he wanted to know.

[MBMETC]

well the whole point of a short cycle is to make quick gains and get out before you shut down hard. You used Deca which makes no sens in a short cycle because other then tren it is prob the hardest hardest steroids on your endocrine system or in other words it shuts you down hard!

In the future dont use deca in a burst cycle. If you want to use longer ester it is not recommended but imo you should front load for the first couple weeks and use an oral along side.

Example: 1000mg test and 40mg dbol a day week 1
1000mg test and 40mg dbol a day week 2
500mg test and 40mg dbola day week 3
500mg test and 40mg dbol a day week 4
500mg test week 5
500mg test week 6
50mg dbol a day week 7
50mg dbol a day week 8

Pct weeks 10-14

i dont want to pile on but this is the most ubsurd thing i've read are you implying that a person wouldn't be shut down as hard from an 8 week cycle as opposed to a 12 week cycle,complete
shut down with a simple test cycle occures in the first weeks of the cycle, and even fasted with deca

[marcus300]

I can see this thread going to get out of control so Ive locked it.

The OP had his question answered anymore question feel free to start a new thread.

Young inexperience members shouldn't give advice on topics what they have no idea about or experienced, Ive seen this alot lately and we need to try and keep on top of it.

Research and experience is the key to knowledge