question about my first cycle ???

**big_e** · 03-01-2011, 05:58 AM

hi .. what's up

..... i did'nt take any steroid before .. and this my first cycle .
i want ask you about this cycle .. is this cycle good or having errors
500m Testosterone Enanthate in the week
1 proviron every day
2 legalon everyday from Third week
1 nolvadex everyday from Third week

and after this cycle

1 choriomon 5000
1 clomid for 10 days

**lovbyts** · 03-01-2011, 06:00 AM

and your stats are?
Age
Height
weight
body fat
number of YEARS of continual working out 4+ days in the gym?

**big_e** · 03-01-2011, 06:05 AM

21 years
weight ... 100 KG
Height ... 190 CM
i workout since 5 years ago

**lovbyts** · 03-01-2011, 06:11 AM

To young, you are risking many things. Shutting down your natural test beyond the cycle. During cycle it's shut down 100% but due to age it may not recover like you would want.
Even though you THINK you are done growing, you are NOT. Your growth plates are not fused yet and wont be until 24/25 You risk fusing them prematurely and not only risk not getting any taller but also any natural width.

What is your body fat? Would you say you have a little extra fat? Spare tire? low body fat? Can you see your abs/six pack?

You have plenty of natural test to do a lot of growing and food will help you more than any AAS and the gains will be permanent and less chance of injury and zero chance of side effects like acne, severe acne, bloating, water retention, gyno, ED (Erectile dysfunction)

**big_e** · 03-01-2011, 11:04 AM

ok ok .. Thanks for the advice ...... but my question about the cycle not about risks of cycle .....

**Tigershark** · 03-01-2011, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by big_e

ok ok .. Thanks for the advice ...... but my question about the cycle not about risks of cycle .....

The advice you are going to get at your age is not to do it.

**big_e** · 03-01-2011, 12:27 PM

lol .... I know someone who takes steroids when he was 17 years Until he had 22 years and He is now married and has two sons

**Eazy20** · 03-01-2011, 12:40 PM

I know a guy who survived a fall from the 5th story balcony at a hotel in Mexico, but that doesn't mean you'll be seeing me jump off any time soon.

**marcus300** · 03-01-2011, 12:43 PM

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

**Tigershark** · 03-01-2011, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by big_e

lol .... I know someone who takes steroids when he was 17 years Until he had 22 years and He is now married and has two sons

Here we go......ugh.

**BUTTERYGOODNESS** · 03-01-2011, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Tigershark

Here we go......ugh.

lol spring break yayayayayay lol
some people just wont listen bro
beating a dead horse

**lovbyts** · 03-02-2011, 01:33 AM

You can go to a lot of other forums/boards and find all the bad advice you are looking for. You wont find it here except from the exceptional newbie who wont be around long either.

The advice on the cycle is dont do it, plain and simple.

I'm sure you can find someone somewhere else to tell you it's OK Someone somewhere else will tell you it's ok to mix with rat poison also. Let us know how it turn out.