first cycle. test proprionate

**nico69ravioli** · 03-02-2011, 01:36 PM

My brother does steroids and offered me a bottle of test prop w what he says r the proper needles for butt injections. He uses the same needles with the same test(fresh needles different bottle but same type of needle) and has no issues. I have taken one shot in my right cheek and one in my left cheek. Both times I experienced a terrible sorness the right cheek has subsided but the left is killing me. It hurts to sit in my school chairs and it sucks! Like I said it subsided on my other cheek but I'm just wondering why this is happening to me and not him? Also I'm fairly certain I am not taking it wrong he knows how to take it and actually assists me with the shot. Also I was wondering if taking it twice a week or every other day was smarter.

**nico69ravioli** · 03-02-2011, 01:43 PM

Needle is terumo syringe 3cc/mL (0.65 x 25mm) 23G x 1

**bjpennnn** · 03-02-2011, 01:45 PM

You need to be taking prop at least eod some people prefer ever day. This is why we do not like having first time cycles using prop. I always have pain for about the first month when ever i use prop at the injection site. It just comes with the territory.

**C Dub** · 03-02-2011, 01:51 PM

How old are you?

**bjpennnn** · 03-02-2011, 01:52 PM

yes lets get some stats.

**nico69ravioli** · 03-02-2011, 01:53 PM

Okay thanks would it be stupid to switch to test ethanate now? Or to begin taking it right after I finish the cycle?

**bjpennnn** · 03-02-2011, 01:55 PM

well i will answer that question when you give us some more info on you, you may be doing other stupid things your knowledge on this seems to be very limited if any. Help us help you bro. age, weight, height, years training cycle experience pct.

**nico69ravioli** · 03-02-2011, 01:59 PM

Age 21 weight 175 height 5'8 training on and off around wrestling for 4 years and no prior cycle experience. Anything else you need too know?

**bjpennnn** · 03-02-2011, 02:00 PM

I would just stop your cycle man, your to young wait a few years. Whats your bf% like?

**C Dub** · 03-02-2011, 02:02 PM

You are too young for AAS, stop your cycle now before you do any damage. How is your diet?

**nico69ravioli** · 03-02-2011, 02:07 PM

Well I'm really not trying to stop it, I'm already doin it so the damage is done. My bodyfat is pretty low idk an exact number but I'm wrestler so I'm in good shape I'm pretty cut with abs n all that and I don't really have a great diet being a college student I usually eat out, try to usually go to the delis n get the healthy stuff

**bjpennnn** · 03-02-2011, 02:08 PM

ha i am done contributing to this thread. good luck bro.

**C Dub** · 03-02-2011, 05:19 PM

By Marcus -

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.
By Marcus -

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.