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    To clomid or not to clomid, that is the question.

    Hi,

    Having read a few posts on clomid and depression, I was wondering if you guys think o need it for my cycle...

    Weeks 1-12 test e 500mg
    Weeks 1-8 anavar 80mg
    Weeks 1-12 hcg 500iis
    Weeks 1-12 stane EOD 12.5mg

    My pct was gonna be the below before I added the hcg, so does adding this lessen the need fir the clomid?

    Clomid 100/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/20/20/20

    Thanks

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    This is your first cycle, correct?

    You dont need to go that high of test to get good results. Using the anavar and hcg you can easily drop down to 300mg a week and still get great gains if your diet is in check and workout routine. Using the hcg and stane will help maximize your test and keep it from converting to estrogen.

    You can run the same cycle for your 2nd and 3rd easily bumping up 100mg each time with the test if you want but no reason to start out at 500mg.

    Also, if you get the gains you desire at 300mg dont jump up to 400mg the next, stay at 300mg again and see how it goes. Remember, it's a marathon, not a sprint.

    And to answer your question. yes I would stick to using the clomid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    This is your first cycle, correct?

    You dont need to go that high of test to get good results. Using the anavar and hcg you can easily drop down to 300mg a week and still get great gains if your diet is in check and workout routine. Using the hcg and stane will help maximize your test and keep it from converting to estrogen.

    You can run the same cycle for your 2nd and 3rd easily bumping up 100mg each time with the test if you want but no reason to start out at 500mg.

    Also, if you get the gains you desire at 300mg dont jump up to 400mg the next, stay at 300mg again and see how it goes. Remember, it's a marathon, not a sprint.

    And to answer your question. yes I would stick to using the clomid.
    If it's his first one, he might also want to refrain from the Anavar. He can make some good gains on a test-only cycle.

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    Thanks for the replies guys but it's my third, 1st cycle with injections tho, I was going to start with 400mg test but I get it in 250 1ml amps so thought I'd do 500

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    Quote Originally Posted by azizi123 View Post
    Thanks for the replies guys but it's my third, 1st cycle with injections tho, I was going to start with 400mg test but I get it in 250 1ml amps so thought I'd do 500
    First with injection is pretty much the same as a first cycle. No need to over do the test.

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    Wat wud u suggest then with 250mg 1ml amps? I remember there being a sticky that sed a good first cycle was 500mg test 12 weeks and 4 weeks d boll at 40mg

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    but you are also using
    Weeks 1-12 hcg 500iis
    Weeks 1-12 stane EOD 12.5mg
    that is going to do a lot to help keep the estrogen in check and make the test work even better giving you better results IMO. 250 might be cutting it a little low but instead of pinning every 3 1/2 days you could do it every 3 days to get you right around 300 a week or a little more.

    I'm not saying that 500 is WAY overkill but I dont think it's really needed yet and no reason jumping up that high to soon and you might be very happy with your results, less chance of sides and more left over to use next time.

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    I see what your trying to say but I'm confused, if I inject 1 amp every 3 days, il b getting 500mg in 6 days rather than 7?

    Sorry if I'm being dumb here

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    sorry to hijack but i have a question...what about 250mg test e per week,if 1 amp contains 250mg?

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    Need to shoot more than once a week tho

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    Yeah my 1st cycle was 250 pre week.I grew like a weed.But back in the early 80s.No one did those high doses.

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    Like a weed being? Lol

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    You'll need an anti-aromatase on cycle. Arimidex or aromasin , will both work great.

    Post cycle, I would definitely choose clomid over nolva, as it stimulates the HPTA more efficiently.

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    To answer your original question, you could keep the clomid in PCT, but drop the dose down to 50/50/25/25

    I think too many complain about clomid because they take too high doses of it.

    Even 25mg of clomid will raise test levels by 145%.

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    Rcks, I am taking stane.
    D7m, thank you, I will go with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azizi123 View Post
    I see what your trying to say but I'm confused, if I inject 1 amp every 3 days, il b getting 500mg in 6 days rather than 7?

    Sorry if I'm being dumb here
    Yeah my math is probably bad. I was doing it on the fly and I didnt mean shoot the whole 250mg every 3 days. I thinking in regards to if 400mg was split up every 3 1/2 day at 200mg each. Sorry for the confusion.

    Yes you should be fine and see gains still at 250mg a week. If you really think you need more after say 2 months shorten it to every 6 days.

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    good to see lower doses being recommended, always better imo

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    Thought I was missing something, cheers

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