new start

**gazrohanireland** · 03-08-2011, 04:53 PM

i would like to start using steroids
i am researching at the moment on what is the best for a beginner
does anyone have any advice on what i should start with and what cycles i should do?? help would be greatly appreciated thanks

**Matt** · 03-08-2011, 04:57 PM

Start by reading this written by Marcus...

The young and Steroids
Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

**gazrohanireland** · 03-08-2011, 05:04 PM

matt already read thanks i did look over all these post to try and find info
but i would like to talk or get advice of someone with experience and knowledge
can you help??

**bjpennnn** · 03-08-2011, 05:06 PM

The best advice anyone is going to give a 20 year old on bodybuilding is diet. You should head over to the diet section and read up post your diet in there and let the pros hack away at it. There is also some amazing videos that you will find very informative in that section. Good luck.

**gazrohanireland** · 03-08-2011, 05:08 PM

thanks lads

**Matt** · 03-08-2011, 05:08 PM

It would be very wrong for me or anybody else to advise you on how to cycle aas knowing that they could cause you serious health issues in later life....

My advice would be to use what you have naturally and with the correct diet and training you will almost certainly reach your goals...

**gazrohanireland** · 03-09-2011, 05:45 AM

i think myself after all this time in the gym it is taking to long to increase my size so that is why im intrested in steroids

**marcus300** · 03-09-2011, 05:56 AM

^ Thats becaause you have no idea how to use diet to build muscle/size, steroids are not the answer but food is. Youw ant size start eating like a bodybuilder.

**lovbyts** · 03-09-2011, 06:15 AM

All the time in the gym? I have probably spent more time in the bathroom than you have in the gym. Time is irrelevant; it's what you have done with that time that is important. You are 20, you have a LOT of time left unless you make the wrong choice now like using aas at 20.

As suggested, if you want to make gains learn to eat and spend time in the other forums learning how to lift properly, changing up your routine and proper form.