Test E Cycle_AI & SERM during cycle

**incrediblehulk** · 03-15-2011, 04:30 AM

Hi guys

Stats:

Age 29
Height 5' 9"
Weight 182 lbs
BF % 15
Body type: have always felt like a hard gainer. Tough to put mass on my body. But now, I am in a good shape.
Target: To gain 30 pounds of muscles & drop the body fat by 2-3%.

I have been a silent reader on these forums & took around 1 year to start my 1st cycle ever.
I have decided to start with Test E (mostly recommended) for 12 weeks. From 2nd week I will start with Tamoxifen 10mg ED.

PCT:
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 100/100/50/50

I already have enough Nolva (for during cycle & in PCT) & Clomid. I have got my 1st week’s 2 injections (250 on Thursday & 250 on Monday).

I put the amps in hot water before getting the jab & then it feels a bit easier (as during my 1st jab I did not warm it properly & I could feel the pain for 3 days after the jab).

From the forums, I understand Test E kicks in after 4 weeks, but I have started feeling even after the 1st jab (strength gain & increase in libido). Is it unusual or it happens??

Now, I have got a few questions (I have read swifto & Pheedno’s PCT)

a) Should I use L-dex in PCT?
b) Should I take HCG during cycle?

Please share your views. Let me know if you require more info about me to answer my question.

Cheers!!

**ScotchGuard02** · 03-15-2011, 06:30 AM

I'd recommend HCG 250iu twice a week. It helps me not get shut down so hard and I can recover from PCT much easier.

**incrediblehulk** · 03-15-2011, 09:30 AM

Thanks for the reply mate...but can somebody tell me ....is there any indication that I may know whether I need HCG (in addition to Tamoxifen ).It may sound silly...but I don't want to take HCG until I really need it.Hope you understand.

**incrediblehulk** · 03-15-2011, 10:37 PM

Can somebody provide me more info on when my body requires HCG .Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

**X83** · 03-16-2011, 12:29 AM

Use .25mg of L-dex per day on your cycle and the HCG too.

**EASTCOASTKID** · 03-16-2011, 12:59 AM

"From the forums, I understand Test E kicks in after 4 weeks, but I have started feeling even after the 1st jab (strength gain & increase in libido). Is it unusual or it happens??"

i'm on TRT and my first pin was Monday. For me the rush was crazy, but I think it was more in my head than anything. My Doc said under normal circumstances it takes 2-3 weeks for the effects to kick in, but again everyone is different so who knows. One more tidbet my doc said to use 22 ga 1.5" pin to get the test deep into muscle tissue and I'm a pretty lean guy.

**incrediblehulk** · 03-16-2011, 05:45 AM

@X83: Are you suggesting L-dex & HCG in addition to Tamoxifen (Nolva) which I am going to start from my 2nd week.

@ EASTCOASTKID: Yeah, everybody reacts differently to chemicals. BTW I use 24 G 1” needle to pin & in both of my shots it was fine. Not many issues.

Can some senior guy jump in & advise what symptoms to look for to start HCG or L-dex? Or Nolva is enough?

**X83** · 03-16-2011, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by incrediblehulk

@X83: Are you suggesting L-dex & HCG in addition to Tamoxifen (Nolva) which I am going to start from my 2nd week.

Use the L-dex & HCG during the cycle and start the PCT with Nolva & Clomid two weeks after your last test-e injection.

**incrediblehulk** · 03-17-2011, 01:28 AM

I am planning to start Nolva & HCG during cycle. Nolva (10mg) from 2nd week (from tomorrow) & HCG I don't know when to start.Can somebody suggest?
Moreover, I saw HCG Vial yesterday.It was 5000 i.u. & no powder & liquid, it was like a simple liquid vial. has anybody used such type of vial.Next question how can I extract 250 i.u. out of 5000 i.u. HCG.Please reply.