first cycle: coming together well?

**imwheelin** · 03-23-2011, 11:13 PM

age:23
height: 6'1
weight: 190lbs
bodyfat: 12%
years training:4
cycle experience: none

Routine: 5 on 2 off split

Gear: *not starting until plateau in current routine (probably 2-3 weeks). Gives me time to plan.

Week 1-10 Test Enanthate 500mg per week 2 injections 250mg each
Week 1-5 Dbol OR Anavar -> I haven't decided yet, the anavar is more expensive, and I'm really just looking to kick-start the cycle. Opinions?

PCT: Clomid and Nolva
Possibly HCG -> necessary or no?

I heard and read that it might be a good idea to take Nolva throughout the cycle to prevent gyno? Some seem to say just wait and see but others say just take throughout? I'm confused by this as well.

Thanks in advance, im not in a hurry still doing homework and learning.

**Knockout_Power** · 03-23-2011, 11:24 PM

You are going to get a ton of people telling you that you are a bit too young and that you are too light @ 6'1 to have a proper natural base...

That being said, dont run anavar to kick a cycle, there is nothing you will get from var that you wont see form the test and it doesnt work that quick. Dbol for 4 weeks @ 25mg ED will be plenty

Make sure you have some kind of liver support for the dbol as you dont know how your kidney/liver will react to orals...

IMHO, I would scrap the oral all together and just run the test. Always good to start with one compound cause if you develope a reaction, you dont know which one you are having problems with so you have to drop both and end your cycle. Get use to test first and then add for future cycles

Play safe

**Lemonada8** · 03-23-2011, 11:25 PM

you prolly can do a nolva only pct 40/40/20/20 with HCG goin 2x a week at 250ius each
also be sure to do test e shots 2x a week makes it a lil more stable.
as for the dbol /anavar i would just say go with plain test and see how u do, no need to get special on your first cycle.
use letro for any estro sides, if they come up then order it

Good luck!

**Knockout_Power** · 03-23-2011, 11:27 PM

letro is pretty harsh and can kill your sec drive. Aromasin or Adex are great AI's to use while on cycle

**imwheelin** · 03-23-2011, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

you prolly can do a nolva only pct 40/40/20/20 with HCG goin 2x a week at 250ius each
also be sure to do test e shots 2x a week makes it a lil more stable.
as for the dbol /anavar i would just say go with plain test and see how u do, no need to get special on your first cycle.
use letro for any estro sides, if they come up then order it

Good luck!

Is that preferable over a clomid/nolva PCT? how so? my buddy is recommending clomid/nolva and hcg for the PCT...the HCG is a little expensive and I just dont really understand if it's necessary or not.

**imwheelin** · 03-23-2011, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Knockout_Power

letro is pretty harsh and can kill your sec drive. Aromasin or Adex are great AI's to use while on cycle

Do most guys use AIs on cycle? or just when symptoms arise?

**Knockout_Power** · 03-24-2011, 10:05 AM

Best to keep an AI on hand. This comes from experience, if you have noticed that you are almost gauranteed to have estro issues, then yes, start it soon. Others just keep it on hand in case they notice sides.

**Lemonada8** · 03-24-2011, 07:20 PM

For a test only cycle you would only need a nolva pct. however its been shown that HCG helps prevent testicular atrophy (it stimulates natural test production, thats what manny rameriez got caught with but its good on cycle to keep them from shrinking) Use it from 3 weeks on, cuz thats when the test ester will be degraded enough to make effect. 2x a week at 250 ius is what ive seen done, i did 500 e3d and i found that worked for myself but i did a cycle of prop.

as for the estro sides, keeping a ai on hand will help if they start to become extremely bad, but if its a lil i wouldnt worry about it.

**Knockout_Power** · 03-24-2011, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

For a test only cycle you would only need a nolva pct. however its been shown that HCG helps prevent testicular atrophy (it stimulates natural test production, thats what manny rameriez got caught with but its good on cycle to keep them from shrinking) Use it from 3 weeks on, cuz thats when the test ester will be degraded enough to make effect. 2x a week at 250 ius is what ive seen done, i did 500 e3d and i found that worked for myself but i did a cycle of prop.

as for the estro sides, keeping a ai on hand will help if they start to become extremely bad, but if its a lil i wouldnt worry about it.

Everyone is different and it is best to have as much PCT product on hand just in case you get shut down hard. You may not need both, but its best to have it that not.

**Lemonada8** · 03-24-2011, 08:58 PM

agreed, but that a little over cautious for myself. Clomid and nolva and HCG is a very aggressive pct which typicially not needed for test but u never know