Test e 400mg/ml pain and swelling

[joejoe29]

Hey guys, I have been using Test E 400mg/ml for 9 weeks now and the swelling and pain I get from this potency is unbelievable. Its at the point that I cant continue as it is effecting everything not just training. I know if I mix it with something less concentrated it will help but I was wondering if I mixed it with test e 250mg/ml if that would help or if I needed to go lower and mix it with a compound around 100mg/ml. I was thinking of mixing 2ccs of the 400mg/ml with 1 cc of 250mg/ml but was wondering if that would do it. Should I mix it the other way around and sacrifice a bit of dosage? Only experienced comments please. How tall I am and what I eat for breakfast has no weight on the question at hand please stick to question asked or please do not respond. Cheers

[DOM6]

i think you need to filter your gear, does it hurt as your pushing it in? can you see crystals in it?
im running test 500mg and no pain at all and i know mine is g2g.

warm it up if its seperated or junk it and get better gear, imo

if its swelling your gear isnt filtered right, buy a filter

[magaton]

Had same problem. At first i thought i had some kind of infection then i started to think about it. I had never had this problem with any gear, not containing EO. It became appearant that my body just did not like the EO used in high MG gear.

I'm now cutting with a little bit of filtered grapeseed oil. No more pain, no redness, no swealing, no heat. I also mix with other lower concentration compounds and it's good to go.

[Far from massive]

I would also reccomend getting some vegatable oil prefferably USP grade and cut it to 200mg/ml that would be 50% vegatable oil to 50% super duper ass pain gear.. then filter it throught a .22 whatman syringe filter. If you google USP vegatable oil for sale you should be able to find resellers who have both the oil and filters and will be happy to sell to you.

As far as it being a problem with EO I believe often non USP grade EO is used by UGL's due to the reduced cost causes a problem. Lots of this stuff is only 70% EO and it causes all sorts of problems however normally it is along the lines of rash like patches and itching not pain. The problem you were having was more likely caused by the test coming out of solution at the injection depot and forming microcrystals in the muscle this usually causes next day pain and swelling. Immediate pain and burning is caused by high BA content often used by UGLs instead of good cosolvents and blending techniques. If you were having a problem specifically with EO, adding vegatable oil to it would not likely cure the problem.

[Bigjerdog]

I had the exact same problem and couldnt take the pain. At about week 8 or 9 I switched to test E 250 and my problem was over. Why do you need to take 400? Why not just do 250 2 times a week. same effect and I think actually more stable levels but im not expert on that. What I have heard after I switched is that the 400 stuff is usually used for guys that need to cram a lot of gear and need to reduce the volume.

If you mix it with some 250 that will help some also, or deca ive heard is good for that. and ofcourse grape seed oil and also injectable B12

[redz]

See high concentration gear is not the simple reason for the pain.I have used brutal TNT450mg/ml that was a very dark oil and likely poor quality raw materials. I have also used painless T400(test blend) and also painless TNT400 so it isn`t simply the gear being a high dose. I think some ugls just use crappy raw materials.

[higgy]

Why not just run the 250 and scratch the 400?

[joejoe29]

Cheers guys appreciate it. I will try mixing it with the test 250mg/ml and see if that helps any, if not just switch and use the 250mg/ml. Not a huge fan of ordering and mixing in other oils as I would prefer to keep it as basic as possible, but truly appreciate advice.

To answer a few questions asked I am running 400mgs/ml because thats what I started using and I currently have 10ccs left of the stuff. I have access to 250mgs/ml but I dose at 1000-1200mgs weekly so it is easier with the more concentrated doses, just have to bite down through the pain. It is just catching up with me and I no longer wish to deal with it. It doesnt hurt while pushing it in either just starts the next day and continues for about 6 days which is normal/common. Also Deca would help a little as I know from past experience however I am at week 9 of this cycle and I am not using Deca with it.

[Bigjerdog]

youch thats a lot of juice. You must be friggin huge... so it soudns as if youve done plenty of cycles? stats?

[Bigjerdog]

oh yeah and 2 cc twice a week and your at 1000... Throw the 400 out it aint worth it if you cant squat