Revolutionizing the steroid world?

[bruary17]

The supp company Primordial Performance has just launched 3 products: andro mass, andro lean, and another one I forgot. The creator, Eric something or other claims the andro mass dosage is equivalent to 486 weekly my shot of Test-E with NO sides whatsoever! He says with this formula, he has changed the steroid world forever. Google it and tell me what you think? He's making some big promises and the product is at a hefty price tag.

[FLdave]

Looks like the Andro-Mass is already out of stock....someone is buying it.

[BigandStrong]

Sounds interesting. If it really is equivalent to that much test e and also works, I guarantee it will not be legal for long

[cro]

sweet ill google it now

[DCannon]

Interesting, but that's a lot of money for one bottle.

[songdog]

I got some ocean front property cheap

[Bonaparte]

It will have all the same side effects as injectable testosterone, and it costs a shitload more. Not appealing if you have a source for AAS.

[Far from massive]

Yep if it really did as he claimed it would be front page news in every medical journal and newspaper within a couple of wks. I mean why sell the stuff illegally get a patent and become a multi billionaire with zero risk of getting locked up.

[smashingbox]

OP are you paid to post this? Your post reads like an infomercial.

[sixoner]

bruary is good to go bro he's not a infomercial..

even if its legit, that stuff is higher than giraffe pvssy....the real deal is much cheaper. and whats the deal with the 6week max recommendation??

[redz]

I looked around their discussions and there is definitely some reps making stuff up. Alot of miss-information on there.

[cro]

bru just run that test e cycle at 300 mg you will love it .dont bother with these things.i had good results with hdrol a while back but nothing like that 1st cycle. run aromasin at 12.5 eod .BUST THAT CHERRY BRO

[Chuck_R]

Muscle Tech's marketing dept must of wrote the promo ad .....promises full of BS

[redz]

I love how specific the comparissons are to the exact mg they compare to.

[vishus]

smells like BS to me....

[Necrosaro]

A post done before about his stuff

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...al-Performance

[jimmyinkedup]

It will have all the same side effects as injectable testosterone, and it costs a shitload more. Not appealing if you have a source for AAS.

Its actually gonna have musch worse sides than injectable test and ill tell you why. The delivery method utilizes cyp enzyme inhibition. So in part it isnt really increased bioavailibility..its decreased metabolism. For those that dont know cyp enzymes metabolize substances within the body and those exogeneuosly introduced into the body. The cyp enzyme that is inhibited dramatically (drastically if we believe the claims) is not only responsible for the metabolism of steroidal hormones...its responsible for the metabolism of estrogen , progesterone , prolactin , cortisol , toxins , carcinogens , creatine , some fat soluable viatmins , the list goes on and on. So what will happen is the body cannot remove these substances effectively due to the cyp inhibition. Add to that an androgenic product ...well i think people can see where the "safer" claims are BS...Its so stupid it isnt funny. Its dangerous imo ..and dont think the fda wont be all over it. They will be..and rightfully so in this case.
There is much more why this stuff is garbage..but this imo is one of the primary reasons.
Push comes to shove....manipulate how you want on paper..you are delivering dhea metabolites at a premium price. Its a joke.
Cost wise:
One product = test cycle + pct....
Gimme a break!!

ps- i forgot to mention the myriad of prescription drug interactions cyp inhibition (especially to this extent) effects. We are are talking reactions varying from rhabdomyolosis (renal failure) , cushings disease , excessive cns depression , cardiac arrhythmias and much more up to and potentially including death. A stupid medication interaction warning on the lable will not offset these dangers in the eyes of the FDA.

[jimmyinkedup]

I looked around their discussions and there is definitely some reps making stuff up. Alot of miss-information on there.

Primordial Performance is the shadiest of the shady. Their m/o is for the reps and a couple PP forum moderators and lackies to join a forum and act as if they are just consumers. They then proceed to BS about how great this and that product are ..asking questions back and forth like they dont know one another. Its such a sham..its comical ..till you realize people dont all see it and actually end up buying the garbage they sell. When i confronted a rep about this his repsonse was well we are just trying to make a name for ourselves.
IMO :
1- The compnay is desperate
2- They have no ethics at all - starting at the top (they all lie their ass off)
3- Their products suck so bad they need to resort to this type of bs just to sell them.
Its prob all of the above.

[sixoner]

and thats whats up...

[j4ever41]

i have not looked it up but if i were selling it i make big promises and claims as well AND it possibly could come with a hefty price not only in money!

[j4ever41]

well went to give a quick look,man this stuff is like a maricle drug and you can use it for TRT as well,hahahaha

[grumpee]

Sounds like a pitch from one of the test booster reps from the BB.com board, lol...

[hwy1378]

I saw the Easter bunny today ...... sounds like a infomercial

[bruary17]

bru just run that test e cycle at 300 mg you will love it .dont bother with these things.i had good results with hdrol a while back but nothing like that 1st cycle. run aromasin at 12.5 eod .BUST THAT CHERRY BRO

I know man... I'm standing o. The edge, about to leap!

[bruary17]

I saw the Easter bunny today ...... sounds like a infomercial

Tell him I want several dozen cadberry eggs in my basket this year dickhead

[bruary17]

Anyway, back on topic... I'm interested in reading the cycle logs on this stuff

[jimmyinkedup]

Anyway, back on topic... I'm interested in reading the cycle logs on this stuff

Id trust the logs on this crap about as much as i trust this slimey company - Not at all. You be surprised how this internet marketing / logs and such take place. Its mostly a sham. The truth will come out about this supp...its lack of effects and its dangers. Why bother?
Eh to each his own...
Honestly i dont expect this to be around long enough for it to matter. Too many valid reasons for it to be banned and the FDA is already aware of it.

[JohnnyVegas]

I am older than many of you and have seen hundreds of products marketed as steroid substitutes over the years. They all fade. I ignore supplement marketing altogether now. If something actually works, I expect to hear about it on one of my science news websites, not an ad.

[cro]

no doubt....

Id trust the logs on this crap about as much as i trust this slimey company - Not at all. You be surprised how this internet marketing / logs and such take place. Its mostly a sham. The truth will come out about this supp...its lack of effects and its dangers. Why bother?
Eh to each his own...
Honestly i dont expect this to be around long enough for it to matter. Too many valid reasons for it to be banned and the FDA is already aware of it.

[cro]

yeahh i know my buddy was suppose to cycle at the same timeas me . He still cant take the step.. it will come to ya bro.then you will jab....low dose and aromasin 0 probssss.

I know man... I'm standing o. The edge, about to leap!

[Far from massive]

Bruary,

I have seen you on the boards enought to know your question is legit. So again just look at the basic facts, if it performed as they say it did they would patent it. Then sell it for legit medicinal usage and retire billionaires. No way would they waste their time playin the prohomone game till the shit gets banned. Unless it was just another run of the mill PH scam.

[cro]

dam that makes sence.....

Bruary,

I have seen you on the boards enought to know your question is legit. So again just look at the basic facts, if it performed as they say it did they would patent it. Then sell it for legit medicinal usage and retire billionaires. No way would they waste their time playin the prohomone game till the shit gets banned. Unless it was just another run of the mill PH scam.

[BarBender727]

I don't put much value into their products but wish them well just the same.

[jimmyinkedup]

Id trust the logs on this crap about as much as i trust this slimey company - Not at all. You be surprised how this internet marketing / logs and such take place. Its mostly a sham. The truth will come out about this supp...its lack of effects and its dangers. Why bother?
Eh to each his own...
Honestly i dont expect this to be around long enough for it to matter. Too many valid reasons for it to be banned and the FDA is already aware of it.

Update:
The beginning of the end of the androseries:
Letter reported to be received by someone who was expecting to get the androhard product:

According to the company's web site each Androhard capsule contains androsterone 250 mg, and it is intended to add muscle mass. It appears androsterone is a steroid hormone that reinforces masculine characteristics. Androhard is labeled as a dietary supplement. FDA does not consider androsterone to be a dietary ingredient, and the products to be a dietary supplements. Androsterone is not a dietary ingredient under section 201(ff)(1) ) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the "Act"). It is not a vitamin, a mineral, an herb or botanical, or an amino acid [section 201 (ff)(1)(A-E) of the Act]. It is not a "dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake" [section 201(fl)(1)(E) of the Act]. Androsterone is not a dietary ingredient under this definition. Nor is it a concentrate, metabolize, constituent, extract, or combination of any ingredient above [section 201(ff)(1)(F) of the Act]. Androsterone is also is not a food under section 201(f) of the Act in that it is not "an article used for food or drink for man." The term dietary supplement as defined in section 201(ff) of the Act means, inter alia, a product "intended to supplement the diet." While the Act does not elaborate on the meaning of this phrase, many congressional findings, set forth in the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994, suggest that dietary supplements are intended to be used to augment the diet to promote health. FDA does not believe that this product is intended to be used to augment the diet to promote health. Moreover, FDA considers the diet to be composed of usual food and drink that may be designed to meet specific nutritional requirements. This product is not food or drink, and it can not be said that it is intended to supplement the diet. Accordingly, products with this ingredient are not intended to supplement the diet and are not dietary supplements.
FDA considers this and any other similarly formulated and labeled products made with androsterone to be drugs in that they are intended to for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in man, and/or intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man. Further, these drug products are not generally recognized as safe and effective for their labeled uses, and are unapproved new drugs and misbranded drugs marketed in violation of sections 505 and 502 of the Act.
The FDA has taken action against many anabolics and has also provided consumer updates regarding this topic. See the attached address to FDA's web site for this information.

Warning on Body Building Products Marketed as Containing Steroids or Steroid-Like Substances:http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons.../ucm173739.htm



This was reported on another forum , so I cannot 100% assure its fact although it appears it def caught the attention of the owner of PP for sure and they (PP) seemed to acknoweldge its validity....
Im not saying I think this is good or bad as far as the FDA involvment in the industry ( i have my opinions) ...but im surely not surprised. Even the marketing of this garbage was stupid on the manufacturers part. The called it a steroid and have a steroid warning on the box for christs sake(which is a joke as its essentially esterified dhea!!) . IMO all for the best - I have some serious issues above and beyond the ones mentioned in this letter with the androseries line anyway not to mention with PP as a whole ....

[Honkey_Kong]

Primordial Performance is the shadiest of the shady. Their m/o is for the reps and a couple PP forum moderators and lackies to join a forum and act as if they are just consumers. They then proceed to BS about how great this and that product are ..asking questions back and forth like they dont know one another. Its such a sham..its comical ..till you realize people dont all see it and actually end up buying the garbage they sell. When i confronted a rep about this his repsonse was well we are just trying to make a name for ourselves.
IMO :
1- The compnay is desperate
2- They have no ethics at all - starting at the top (they all lie their ass off)
3- Their products suck so bad they need to resort to this type of bs just to sell them.
Its prob all of the above.

Those same companies, when people go on those bb.com sites to complain about being swindled by their false promises, will threaten lawsuits against those pissed off customers for slandering their product. But it goes to show you, if something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. So part of the blame is on those customers for falling for that BS.