INJURY HELP!!! Best for cartilage repaire

[kadafee]

a little back story...

i'm 22 years old, 2 years ago i injured my shoulder, not sure how but just started feeling pain and a lot of clicking, went to the doctor, got referred to an ortho, did mri/arthogram and x ray, showed nothing, did an arthroscopy, my shoulder joint was fine but there was a grade 2 cartilage tear discovered on the edge or surface of the glenoid joint (not the labrum) the surgeon says there was nothing he could do about it and its one of those things i have to naturally let it heal, 2 years of the injury and 5 months since the surgery and not feeling much better, the physical therapy gave me my range of motion back but the pain and irritation remains, i am currently looking to get a second opinion but have to wait on the waiting list for some time.

anyhow i've been researching on a few different types of steroids and GH's but i'm not too sure what to do or where to start, IGF1 looks like the best option for me but i have no idea where to get that, HGH looks like the next best thing but it is very expensive and i am a little worried about taking artificial growth hormones at such a young age, also did some research on anavar and deca and apparently they help promote collagen.

please guys im lost, depressed and have nowhere to go!

i've been lurking this forum for some time and know if anyone can help its you guys, so i look forward to reading the replies.

[Honkey_Kong]

a little back story...

i'm 22 years old, 2 years ago i injured my shoulder, not sure how but just started feeling pain and a lot of clicking, went to the doctor, got referred to an ortho, did mri/arthogram and x ray, showed nothing, did an arthroscopy, my shoulder joint was fine but there was a grade 2 cartilage tear discovered on the edge or surface of the glenoid joint (not the labrum) the surgeon says there was nothing he could do about it and its one of those things i have to naturally let it heal, 2 years of the injury and 5 months since the surgery and not feeling much better, the physical therapy gave me my range of motion back but the pain and irritation remains, i am currently looking to get a second opinion but have to wait on the waiting list for some time.

anyhow i've been researching on a few different types of steroids and GH's but i'm not too sure what to do or where to start, IGF1 looks like the best option for me but i have no idea where to get that, HGH looks like the next best thing but it is very expensive and i am a little worried about taking artificial growth hormones at such a young age, also did some research on anavar and deca and apparently they help promote collagen.

please guys im lost, depressed and have nowhere to go!

i've been lurking this forum for some time and know if anyone can help its you guys, so i look forward to reading the replies.

You're 22, you do not need steroids or GH. And trust me on this, those kinds of injuries take a lot of time to heal. The best doctor in that field is Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Alabama. If you want another opinion, contact him. He's the guy the pro-athletes see for their injuries.

[kadafee]

You're 22, you do not need steroids or GH. And trust me on this, those kinds of injuries take a lot of time to heal. The best doctor in that field is Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Alabama. If you want another opinion, contact him. He's the guy the pro-athletes see for their injuries.

i'm int he UK but i will try contact the dr for some advice.

the reason i'm looking at steroids and GH is because its been 2 years and i cant do anything, i used to lift and box, i have given up all hopes of going back to boxing i just want my arm back, some of the basic every day movements cause my arms to start irritating and getting painful.

[Honkey_Kong]

i'm int he UK but i will try contact the dr for some advice.

the reason i'm looking at steroids and GH is because its been 2 years and i cant do anything, i used to lift and box, i have given up all hopes of going back to boxing i just want my arm back, some of the basic every day movements cause my arms to start irritating and getting painful.

I suggest you seek multiple opinions. Steroids and GH won't heal your shoulder. Is your shoulder inflamed still?

[kadafee]

I suggest you seek multiple opinions. Steroids and GH won't heal your shoulder. Is your shoulder inflamed still?

its not inflamed currently, but it gets inflamed when i attempt to lift anything heavy, but it constantly clicks and the pain never goes, i get less pain sometimes but it never goes away all together.

[voidofRoids]

Resorting to AAS will most likely make this issue worse, not better. Continue to pursue medical guidance.

[kadafee]

thing is my surgeon really let me down, i put all my hopes into him, after the surgery he did not even come and speak to me, i asked a nurse to read out the operation notes, when i spoke to him over the phone he didn't mention a thing about the cartilage tear which was written in the operation notes and just told me my joints are fine, there i realized he really doesn't care, to him i'm just patient 14 out of 23.

the PT i was referred to by the NHS had the operation notes and explained to me what was found, on my follow up to see the surgeon he was on holiday and the one who examined me then told me there is nothing wrong with me, that the other surgeon hasn't written anything other than everythings fine on my report, he sent the same report to my GP.

it really had me depressed for a while, if i go to see another surgeon im not gonna have a report of what he found as he would just send the one of me being fine, its very frustrating and i dont know why a doctor would do that.

[pebble]

Nothing is going to help that tissue grow. The area is not vascularized, so its rate of growth is slower than just about all other tissues because it relies on diffusion from capillaries across the synovial membrane. This means that the inflammation response to the tear and the pain meds you use to alleviate symptoms deteriorates cartilage faster that you can supply nutrients to area to form new chondrocytes (cartilage). This is a losing battle. All you can do is try to slow progression of the degeneration with moderate intensity exercise (increase rate of chondrocyte development). If any steroid would help this issue it would be utilized in the medical field. If someone finds something that stops degeneration or increase the rate of synthesis they will be an instant billionaire.

[ScotchGuard02]

I feel for your situation bro. I have inherited bad joints from my parents. I've been on glucosamine, chondroiden, MSM, and Cissus for many many years. The supplements kept me sane. I cycled AAS starting 3 years ago, I'm 51. My joints feel SO MUCH BETTER! Here's the dilemma in your case. You're hurt and in pain but you're too young to take AAS or HGH. It might help your shoulder but it could really hurt your endocrine system. Would you rather have a good shoulder and a swinging limp one? Even if I told you what cycle I did for my joints the vets would frown upon you going on AAS at your age. It's about being safe and healthy. For now, go on the supplements I mentioned. When you turn 25 or so you can look at AAS for joints. Good luck.

[kadafee]

Nothing is going to help that tissue grow. The area is not vascularized, so its rate of growth is slower than just about all other tissues because it relies on diffusion from capillaries across the synovial membrane. This means that the inflammation response to the tear and the pain meds you use to alleviate symptoms deteriorates cartilage faster that you can supply nutrients to area to form new chondrocytes (cartilage). This is a losing battle. All you can do is try to slow progression of the degeneration with moderate intensity exercise (increase rate of chondrocyte development). If any steroid would help this issue it would be utilized in the medical field. If someone finds something that stops degeneration or increase the rate of synthesis they will be an instant billionaire.

so basically there is nothing i can do what so ever and am screwed for life?

[kadafee]

reading this has given me a glimmer of hope

http://ukhealthcare.uky.edu/cartilag...uts/acifcd.htm

[pebble]

Yup, but everyone is. This something we all live with. If something else does not get you first you will end up with some form of osteoarthritis. Injury to this tissue only accelerates the degradation. Your best bet is to try to keep inflammation low via omega 3 (which is why people push shark oil).

I am in the same boat as you (shoulder, both knees), but with time and training you can get yourself to a pretty good point. I barely notice my shoulder now.

[pebble]

reading this has given me a glimmer of hope

http://ukhealthcare.uky.edu/cartilag...uts/acifcd.htm

None of those options seem appropriate for you. I doubt a MD would do any one of them. Sorry.

Just keep doing your PT. Things will feel better. It took me close to 2 years, 6 months of no pressing. I still avoid overhead pressing to this day. But lateral raises and bench are fine now.

[kadafee]

Yup, but everyone is. This something we all live with. If something else does not get you first you will end up with some form of osteoarthritis. Injury to this tissue only accelerates the degradation. Your best bet is to try to keep inflammation low via omega 3 (which is why people push shark oil).

I am in the same boat as you (shoulder, both knees), but with time and training you can get yourself to a pretty good point. I barely notice my shoulder now.

i noticed when i tried benching it was fine but when i tried overhead pressing i almost instantly started feeling inflammation coming, plus it gets very stiff.

im gonna keep my hopes up and get a few different opinions, if all fails i will just live with it, it just makes me really sad i cant do the things i loved so much such as boxing, lifes a real bitch.

[upperhandy]

look into alflutops and adequan (polysulfated glycosaminoglycan)....

they are not steroids but can help with cartilage damage... alflutops requires daily injections (i think) and adequan is twice weekly

also sounds like you should be jumping on Glucosamine and Chondroitin available at your local health food store