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    your opinions of propionate for a first time cycle ???

    your thoughts of propionate as a first cycle (rather than ethenate) ??

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    It can be painful due to every day pinning, it would be a good idea to run e or c for a first go so you can judge how well you can take injections. Other than that test is test.

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    Painfull post injection pain and may just put you off for life....

    What are your stats?

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    Only downside to prop as a first cycle is the frequency of injections and the post-injection pain...If you're fine with both of those then there is no reason why prop couldn't be run as a first.

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    also the more injections, the more risk of infections and ETC. It dosen;t sound bad at first, but it really does get old pinning all the time.

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    People that I know that do prop as a first cycle really have had a hard time with the next day soreness. After a cycle or two, I got used to it, but the pain can be a real shock for a first timer.

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    all the above is great advice post injection pain is pretty harsh and can give the steroid flu as well as appetite suppression and fatigue

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    save the prop for 2nd or third cycle.. it will give you something to look forward to

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    I think it's better to use then e or c because if sides appear during cycle like gyno bad acne test flu prop will be out of your system in days rather then weeks. Also you get to start pct 3 days after your last pin instead of 2 weeks. Each test has it's advantages & disadvantages, you have to decide which one your willing to put up with.

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    I think prop is good for first cycle because if you have issues it's out of your system in only a few days. Personally I don't see the issue with EOD injections, but I haven't experienced the extreme pain some of these guys seem to have. Maybe because I pin with 25G in my glutes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACHINE5150 View Post
    save the prop for 2nd or third cycle.. it will give you something to look forward to
    Yea machine, the vanilla gorilla

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evader View Post
    I think prop is good for first cycle because if you have issues it's out of your system in only a few days. Personally I don't see the issue with EOD injections, but I haven't experienced the extreme pain some of these guys seem to have. Maybe because I pin with 25G in my glutes?
    everyone reacts to prop different but it definitely has a propietary pain to it maybe you should check your gear out evader.

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    You already have had some blunders with your diets as seen by your cheat meal post. Eat properly first for another 8 months then worry about steroids .

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    Didn't Matt or Marcus post some ish last week about how most steroids are painful the next day, after injecting a certain mg? I think it said that Test E is painful over 300mgs a shot, while test prop will/can hurt after only a 100 mg shot. I may be off on the numbers, or off entirely.
    I know that when I've used Testolic, which is dosed at 100 mg per 2ml, I didn't feel much soreness the day after a 100 mg shot. Testolic was the only prop I used that didn't leave me sore the next day. All other prop I've used was dosed 200 mgs a ml, and it all hurt like hell. Pinning only 25 mgs a day could be why Evader isn't experiencing any pain. Am I way off on this or what?

    Even still... I wouldn't recommend Prop as a first cycle. I've seen tons of hard ass dudes say "I'll just deal with the pain"... and then I'd hear them complaining the entire workout how much it hurts. The soreness can really hold you back from training efficiently if you don't know what to expect. Test is Test IMO. There really isn't a huge difference between any except the obvious ester lengths. While I do prefer Prop myself, for its fast acting qualities, I would never recommend it as a first cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flacco View Post
    Didn't Matt or Marcus post some ish last week about how most steroids are painful the next day, after injecting a certain mg? I think it said that Test E is painful over 300mgs a shot, while test prop will/can hurt after only a 100 mg shot. I may be off on the numbers, or off entirely.
    I know that when I've used Testolic, which is dosed at 100 mg per 2ml, I didn't feel much soreness the day after a 100 mg shot. Testolic was the only prop I used that didn't leave me sore the next day. All other prop I've used was dosed 200 mgs a ml, and it all hurt like hell. Pinning only 25 mgs a day could be why Evader isn't experiencing any pain. Am I way off on this or what?

    Even still... I wouldn't recommend Prop as a first cycle. I've seen tons of hard ass dudes say "I'll just deal with the pain"... and then I'd hear them complaining the entire workout how much it hurts. The soreness can really hold you back from training efficiently if you don't know what to expect. Test is Test IMO. There really isn't a huge difference between any except the obvious ester lengths. While I do prefer Prop myself, for its fast acting qualities, I would never recommend it as a first cycle.
    flacco he said pinned with 25 gauge not 25 mgs

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    Quote Originally Posted by chi View Post
    flacco he said pinned with 25 gauge not 25 mgs
    Oh I was gonna say thats an awfully small dose

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    I pin 600mgs test e and have 0 post injection pain..It all depends on the quality of your gear in my opinion. However, all prop that I've had has given me some degree of post injection pain.

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