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    First Cycle, Critique me please

    EDIT: I am contemplating this cycle intstead now, please advise me on it:

    I am 24 years old, 6' 200 pounds at about 15% body fat. I will be cutting until July where I aim to be 9% and then want to bulk on this cycle. How does everything look?

    Weeks 1-4: Test E 250mg twice a week, D-bol 30mg ED, HCG 250iu twice a week

    Weeks 4-7: Test E 250mg twice a week, HCG 250iu twice a week

    Weeks 8-12: Test E 250mg twice a week, Anavar 60mg ED, HCG 250iu twice a week

    Weeks 13-14: Anavar 60mg ED, HCG 500iu ED

    Aromasin 12.5mg ED on cycle Weeks 1-14

    PCT:
    Nolvadex 40mg ED/40/20/20/10 wks 14-18
    Aromasin 25mg ED/25/25/25/25/12.5 wks 14-19

    Is the HCG set up correctly?

    Do I need Clomid for PCT, or is Aromasin fine?

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    I am 24 years old, 6' 200 pounds. Coming off a dirty bulk where I bulked to 220 and got fatter than I would have liked. I'm at probably 15% bodyfat right now and plan on cutting until the start of July, where I hope to be 9%.

    At the start of July, I aim to begin my first ever cycle, and from my research I've done, I have it mapped out like this at this point.

    Cycle:

    Week 1: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week)
    Week 2: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week)
    Week 3: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week)
    Week 4: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week)
    Week 5: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week)
    Week 6: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week)
    Week 7: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week)
    Week 8: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week)
    Week 9: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week), Anavar 60mg ED
    Week 10: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week), Anavar 60mg ED
    Week 11: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week), Anavar 60mg ED
    Week 12: Test E 500mg (250 twice a week), Anavar 60mg ED
    Week 13: Anavar 60mg ED
    Week 14: Anavar 60mg ED

    PCT:

    Week 15: Clomid 50mg ED
    Week 16: Clomid 50mg ED
    Week 17: Clomid 25mg ED
    Week 18: Clomid 25mg ED

    Arimidex .5 EOD on cycle
    Letrozole on hand in case of gyno (how much do I need?)


    Also, do you recommend HCG during cycle for this cycle? I'd like to keep the pinning to a minimum, but I'll do it if it's best for my health.

    Since I plan on being lean at the start of this cycle, I aim to bulk with this cycle, while not gaining too much fat. You think the anavar is a good idea for bulking, or should I throw it out of this cycle?
    Last edited by Spades; 04-05-2011 at 01:34 PM.

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    I think most people would recommend cycling with only one compound (preferably test) for your first cycle. In the case of doing a one compound cycle of a test e, your pct looks a little too intense for a rather mild cycle. I recommend starting PCT two weeks after your last injection, and 4 weeks should do the trick. In your case of using nolva and clomid it would look something like this for nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50. Also, every time I have seen AI's brought up, the usual recommendation is to only use them if you start to see estrogen side affects bc not everyone had sides, so you have to see how it reacts with your body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Cole View Post
    I think most people would recommend cycling with only one compound (preferably test) for your first cycle. In the case of doing a one compound cycle of a test e, your pct looks a little too intense for a rather mild cycle. I recommend starting PCT two weeks after your last injection, and 4 weeks should do the trick. In your case of using nolva and clomid it would look something like this for nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50. Also, every time I have seen AI's brought up, the usual recommendation is to only use them if you start to see estrogen side affects bc not everyone had sides, so you have to see how it reacts with your body.
    Thanks, ya I def thought the PCT was too intense. I was just going off a sticky. Also, I was thinkin of runnin the AI to prevent bloat. I really don't want to walk around with a moon face.

    If I can do just Clomid, that would be good, because I heard Nolva is really harsh.

    What do you think about HCG ? Good idea?

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    Edited PCT

    Considering throwing D-Bol in for the first 4 weeks. Is 20mg ED a high enough dosage? Will I need to tweak PCT accordingly, or change anti-estrogen on cycle?
    Last edited by Spades; 04-05-2011 at 12:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spades View Post
    Thanks, ya I def thought the PCT was too intense. I was just going off a sticky. Also, I was thinkin of runnin the AI to prevent bloat. I really don't want to walk around with a moon face.

    If I can do just Clomid, that would be good, because I heard Nolva is really harsh.

    What do you think about HCG? Good idea?
    Hcg is a great idea. i believe it really helps with recovery.

    250iu X 2 a week if it will help why not do it?

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    For sure add the hcg as big ron saidm and even though its your first cycle I see no problem throwing in the var at the end like that. Good luck bro nice to see someone who has done their research.

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    I posted my order price total for advice, but it's deleted? I didn't post lab name or anything, just what i ordered and prices to see if I'm getting ripped.

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    same happened to me in my early posts.seems that's a rule too.just PM someone and ask.

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    After u have amount of posts needed

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    I tried to post a new thread with a different cycle and it won't let me. I tried to delete this thread and it won't let me...

    Anyways, here's the rethought cycle

    I am 24 years old, 6' 200 pounds at about 15% body fat. I will be cutting until July where I aim to be 9% and then want to bulk on this cycle. How does everything look?

    Weeks 1-4: Test E 250ml twice a week, D-bol 30mg ED, HCG 250iu twice a week

    Weeks 4-7: Test E 250ml twice a week, HCG 250iu twice a week

    Weeks 8-12: Test E 250ml twice a week, Anavar 60mg ED, HCG 250iu twice a week

    Weeks 13-14: Anavar 60mg ED, HCG 500iu ED

    Aromasin 12.5mg ED on cycle Weeks 1-14

    PCT:
    Nolvadex 40mg ED/40/20/20/10 wks 14-18
    Aromasin 25mg ED/25/25/25/25/12.5 wks 14-19

    Is the HCG set up correctly?

    Do I need Clomid for PCT, or is Aromasin fine?
    Last edited by Spades; 04-05-2011 at 11:49 AM.

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    Any help guys?

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    ????

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    you are probably better off with your original pct of nolva and clomid. as far as your concerns about the "harshness" of nolva, i think you have clomid and nolva confused. clomid is the one that normally draws attention when speaking about sides.

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    On my next cycle I will be adding Anavar too but for my first 6 weeks, then I am looking in to Masteron for my last 6. Summer's gonna be here before you know it. Haha

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    I have been informed to go with a PCT like this

    Clomid 25/25/25/25
    Forma Stanzole 5 pumps in AM and 5 pumps in PM
    Unleashed/Post Cycle stack

    Opinions on this PCT?

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    you've changed your pct multiple times just stick with one so people can help you

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