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    First cycle with Testosterone Propionate as opposed to Testosterone Enanthate?

    I plan on doing my first cycle as soon as I drop my body fat to at least 12-16%. I've been researching for many weeks and reading this forum multiple hours per day learning about diets, workout techniques, and AAS insight. I've came to a desicion that my first cycle will be as reads

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    Testosterone Enanthate 250-300mg 2x/wk (not sure yet if I should do 500mg or 600mg per wk)

    Weeks 4-14
    HCG 250IU 2x/wk

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    Nolva 40/20/20/20
    Clomid 100/50/50/50

    Is there anything that needs tweaking?

    Also, I read that testosterone enanthate being a heavier ester, that for every 200mg I inject, only 110mg is testosterone (55% active testosterone). Testosterone Propionate being a lighter ester yields more active testosterone at 148mg per 200mg (74% active testosterone).

    My question is... I know the reason they say enanthate for a first cycle is because the longer acting ester will keep the blood levels stable, and can be injected less frequent. If I have no problem what so ever injecting more frequent, wouldn't it be more beneficial to go with Testosterone propionate ??

    If i'm missing something please let me know.
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    I loved prop. If injections don't bug u go for it.

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    27yr old, 6'0 220lbs.......Am I forgetting anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBucket22 View Post
    27yr old, 6'0 220lbs.......Am I forgetting anything?
    Bodyfat and training experience
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    You really don't need that much test for a first cycle...Just my 2 cents...350mg/wk should be more than enough for you to see solid gains...And the frequent injections aren't the only thing wrong with prop..The post injection pain can be pretty bad

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    bodyfat = 22-25%, Training Experience = I have trained consistantly from 18-21, when I was 22 I tore my rotator cuff and had to have surgery so I didn't train much that year. Picked it up again from 23-25. At 25 I pulled my ACL+MCL and again had surgery. I've been back in the gym for about 3 months now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBucket22 View Post
    bodyfat = 22-25%, Training Experience = I have trained consistantly from 18-21, when I was 22 I tore my rotator cuff and had to have surgery so I didn't train much that year. Picked it up again from 23-25. At 25 I pulled my ACL+MCL and again had surgery. I've been back in the gym for about 3 months now.
    Get your BF down more before you start anything. Taking juice at a BF that high won't end well.

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    As I stated in the first paragraph, I'm waiting until I hit around 15% mark, from what I have read it wouldn't be in my best interest to start any sooner. I totally agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBucket22 View Post
    As I stated in the first paragraph, I'm waiting until I hit around 15% mark, from what I have read it wouldn't be in my best interest to start any sooner. I totally agree with you.
    Ahh ok, sorry missed that. Smart man. In that case, refer to my first post, while there is technically nothing wrong with running prop for a 1st time user, it isn't recommend primarily because of the two reasons I've already stated.

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