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    First cycle 5 compounds :O Any opinions?

    Hey hey!

    Well yeah, it's my first cycle.. Im in Week11 and gained 30-35lbs.
    I know there's too many compounds for a first cycle but I already started so...

    I dont know the correct dosage for the Win and Var and how long should I take it? Anyone could help me?

    Stats:
    - 24 years old
    - 6'2
    - Weight 242lbs
    - Body fat : ? 10-13% idk
    - Lifting for 4 years

    Cycle :
    [WEEK 1-6] Dianabol 30/40/40/50/50/50
    [WEEK 1-10] Sustanon 500mg
    [WEEK 1-14] Equipoise 600mg
    [WEEK 10-16] Winstrol 40/50/50/50/50/50
    [WEEK 10-16] Anavar 60/60/80/80/80/80

    PCT:
    [Week 19-23] Clomid 100/50/50/50
    [Week 19-23] Nolva 40/40/20/20

    Here's another thread with pictures and more info!
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...l-Pics!-HELP-D

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    Whole lot of water and going to be a bitch to recover from. Weights go to drop off faster in pct then your dick going soft. We get what we deserve, good luck.

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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

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    Recent pics?

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    Why ask if your already doing it.Let me ask you one.Now if you have a bad reaction.Which one will it be.Clue it aint door#1 There is a reason for the way we do things here.Good luck.

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    Whole lot of water and going to be a bitch to recover from. Weights go to drop off faster in pct then your dick going soft. We get what we deserve, good luck.
    Well I already lost alot of water after I stoped the dbol , the bloating almost disapeared! I dont really care about my weights/perf but why you think Im gonna have some dick problems during my PCT?
    And what do you mean by : We get what we deserve? I deserve a soft dick or great results?

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    Recent pics?
    Didn't had much time lately.. but ill try to take some tomorrow!

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    Why ask if your already doing it.Let me ask you one.Now if you have a bad reaction.Which one will it be.Clue it aint door#1 There is a reason for the way we do things here.Good luck
    Im just asking because I dont know the exact dosage that I should take for the winstrol and anvar..and how much time I should run them.. Go take a peek at my other thread, you'll understand why I started with so many compounds and everything..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
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    Well I already lost alot of water after I stoped the dbol , the bloating almost disapeared! I dont really care about my weights/perf but why you think Im gonna have some dick problems during my PCT?
    And what do you mean by : We get what we deserve? I deserve a soft dick or great results?
    Well the last 6 weeks you're not going to have any testosterone . And where is your HCG in this? You should've just ran test E or C for your first shot. and do you have any arimidex on hand?

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    Get some hcg and some viagra along with your pct meds to combat ed. Too many compounds but at least you didnt have any bad reactions. good progress, im also glad to see you are not 19 or 20 yrs old like most people who post overdone first cycles.

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    Lol wow...stupid cycle, eq longer than sus???

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    Lol your poor liver...and 30-35 lbs in 11 weeks? That's gonna be a lot of trips to the bathroom when you come off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
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    Well I already lost alot of water after I stoped the dbol , the bloating almost disapeared! I dont really care about my weights/perf but why you think Im gonna have some dick problems during my PCT?
    And what do you mean by : We get what we deserve? I deserve a soft dick or great results?

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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

    I've got 99 problems......but my squat/dead ain't one !!

    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Great place to start researching ! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html


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    Extremely irresponsible. But it is your own body to damage, you can do with it as you wish.

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    sounds like you were not ready to cycle if you gained that much weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
    Hey hey!

    Well yeah, it's my first cycle.. Im in Week11 and gained 30-35lbs.
    I know there's too many compounds for a first cycle but I already started so...

    I dont know the correct dosage for the Win and Var and how long should I take it? Anyone could help me?

    Stats:
    - 24 years old
    - 6'2
    - Weight 242lbs
    - Body fat : ? 10-13% idk
    - Lifting for 4 years

    Cycle :
    [WEEK 1-6] Dianabol 30/40/40/50/50/50
    [WEEK 1-10] Sustanon 500mg
    [WEEK 1-14] Equipoise 600mg
    [WEEK 10-16] Winstrol 40/50/50/50/50/50
    [WEEK 10-16] Anavar 60/60/80/80/80/80

    PCT:
    [Week 19-23] Clomid 100/50/50/50
    [Week 19-23] Nolva 40/40/20/20

    Here's another thread with pictures and more info!
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...l-Pics!-HELP-D
    Horrible first cycle i have ever seen....

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    you need some type of test for the remainder of the cycle and get an AI for pct along with what you have, check out stockys pct

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-do-pct-thread

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    Equipoise , Winstrol , and Anavar , are from my limited knowledge all cutting drugs.

    None of them are supposed to be used without some Testosterone .

    You are running all 3 without Test. This goes against all I have read on AAS.

    Aside from the slightly unnecessary high dose of Sust and Dbol , and addition of Equipoise, the cycle is not all that bad up to week 10, about where u are now.

    The best advise is to stop everything right now, and time PCT to start 21 days after last Sust pin.

    Consider running Nolva an additional 2 weeks past Clomid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cro View Post
    sounds like you were not ready to cycle if you gained that much weight.
    i agree anyone who gains 30-35 lbs in a cycle had no buissness doing aas to begin with...did you even lift weights before this or did you just hit the ground running so to speek...

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    Oh wow... I guess it's even worst than I tought! There's no one I know that can help me with that kind of stuff. And I dont know what to do
    Should I add some test for the rest of the cycle? Or stop everything and start my pct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Timer 42 View Post
    Equipoise , Winstrol , and Anavar , are from my limited knowledge all cutting drugs.

    None of them are supposed to be used without some Testosterone .

    You are running all 3 without Test. This goes against all I have read on AAS.

    Aside from the slightly unnecessary high dose of Sust and Dbol , and addition of Equipoise, the cycle is not all that bad up to week 10, about where u are now.

    The best advise is to stop everything right now, and time PCT to start 21 days after last Sust pin.

    Consider running Nolva an additional 2 weeks past Clomid.
    I guess I should stop everything right now then.. Thanxs for your advices!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
    Oh wow... I guess it's even worst than I tought! There's no one I know that can help me with that kind of stuff. And I dont know what to do
    Should I add some test for the rest of the cycle? Or stop everything and start my pct?
    Stop, start PCT, and pray you won't have ED for the rest of your life

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    Quote Originally Posted by cro View Post
    sounds like you were not ready to cycle if you gained that much weight.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    i agree anyone who gains 30-35 lbs in a cycle had no buissness doing aas to begin with...did you even lift weights before this or did you just hit the ground running so to speek...
    Bah..seriously I lifted for a couple of years and added 40lbs naturally. When I started aas I changed my diet too, maybe that helped a little. Anyway, go take a look at my pictures and judge by yourself

    Im going to take more pictures soon and after my pct. I wonder if im really gonna lose all my gains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy20 View Post
    Stop, start PCT, and pray you won't have ED for the rest of your life
    What's ED?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
    What's ED?
    Erectile dysfunction.

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    Hehe...donīt see why he would get ED from Sust. Dbol cycle.

    HPTA is shut down like from any ester.

    With a proper PCT he should come back unless heīs one of the few unlucky ones.

    No reason why u shouldnīt keep your gains either. Keep up the cals. towards PCT, during, and after. And stay in the gym.

    Donīt forget to wait 21 days after last pin for PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Timer 42 View Post
    Hehe...donīt see why he would get ED from Sust. Dbol cycle.

    HPTA is shut down like from any ester.

    With a proper PCT he should come back unless heīs one of the few unlucky ones.

    No reason why u shouldnīt keep your gains either. Keep up the cals. towards PCT, during, and after. And stay in the gym.

    Donīt forget to wait 21 days after last pin for PCT.
    You're right, I thought I read somewhere he wasn't taking test with all of these compounds, but I re-read his OP and he was, so never mind. You should be fine with a good PCT...Might take awhile to come back though.

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    What about adding some test (enanthate ) for the last 4weeks? In addition to Eq/Win/Var...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
    What about adding some test (enanthate) for the last 4weeks? In addition to Eq/Win/Var...?
    Test takes 2 weeks to "clear". Your cycle will be too long. Never recommended to run 2 orals at the same time, harsh on the liver. Var and Win does the same thing, no reason running both. Youīve already been "cutting" with the Eq, and your Stats are great. Cutting more now, u risk loosing your gains. I know exactly whatīs going on in your head, but leave it alone. Train hard, keep the cals up, then if u want to cut, do so by diet and cardio after your PCT. But cutting below 10%, itīs hard to hold on to your gains, I would stay at 12%, where u already are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Timer 42 View Post
    Test takes 2 weeks to "clear". Your cycle will be too long. Never recommended to run 2 orals at the same time, harsh on the liver. Var and Win does the same thing, no reason running both. Youīve already been "cutting" with the Eq, and your Stats are great. Cutting more now, u risk loosing your gains. I know exactly whatīs going on in your head, but leave it alone. Train hard, keep the cals up, then if u want to cut, do so by diet and cardio after your PCT. But cutting below 10%, itīs hard to hold on to your gains, I would stay at 12%, where u already are.
    Wow! Thank you very much, you helped me a lot!

    One last thing about the PCT, is :
    Clomid 100/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
    ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
    Wow! Thank you very much, you helped me a lot!

    One last thing about the PCT, is :
    Clomid 100/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
    ok?
    Yes, looks good.
    PCT can be run many different ways.
    I would stick with 50mg Clomid. CLomid can bring some nasty sides, like ED from blocking estrogen receptors in the brain.
    If u go to the PCT section, u will find many suggestions.
    Torem is a newer SERM well received of AASīrs for having less sides.
    Swifto recommends using Nolva/Torem. His thread on PCT is great.
    U can buy all SERMS at ar-r .com

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    It is the stupidest 1st cycle I have ever seen. First of all all of your receptors are clean and you will get good results with test only. If you were to stack I would add EQ and that's it. But 3 orals kiss your liver goodbye. Looks like you have lots of reading ahead of you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
    Hey hey!

    Well yeah, it's my first cycle.. Im in Week11 and gained 30-35lbs.
    I know there's too many compounds for a first cycle but I already started so...

    I dont know the correct dosage for the Win and Var and how long should I take it? Anyone could help me?

    Stats:
    - 24 years old
    - 6'2
    - Weight 242lbs
    - Body fat : ? 10-13% idk
    - Lifting for 4 years

    Cycle :
    [WEEK 1-6] Dianabol 30/40/40/50/50/50
    [WEEK 1-10] Sustanon 500mg
    [WEEK 1-14] Equipoise 600mg
    [WEEK 10-16] Winstrol 40/50/50/50/50/50
    [WEEK 10-16] Anavar 60/60/80/80/80/80

    PCT:
    [Week 19-23] Clomid 100/50/50/50
    [Week 19-23] Nolva 40/40/20/20

    Here's another thread with pictures and more info!
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...l-Pics!-HELP-D

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    After your pct i'd recommend heading down to your doc and getting some blood work done mate..... Who ever recommended you to start off with a cycle like that didn't have your best interests at heart..... More compounds DOES NOT mean more results...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
    Hey hey!

    Well yeah, it's my first cycle.. Im in Week11 and gained 30-35lbs.
    I know there's too many compounds for a first cycle but I already started so...

    I dont know the correct dosage for the Win and Var and how long should I take it? Anyone could help me?

    Stats:
    - 24 years old To young
    - 6'2
    - Weight 242lbs
    - Body fat : ? 10-13% idk
    - Lifting for 4 years

    Cycle :
    [WEEK 1-6] Dianabol 30/40/40/50/50/50
    [WEEK 1-10] Sustanon 500mg WTF
    [WEEK 1-14] Equipoise 600mg ?
    [WEEK 10-16] Winstrol 40/50/50/50/50/50 WTF
    [WEEK 10-16] Anavar 60/60/80/80/80/80 WTF
    PCT:
    [Week 19-23] Clomid 100/50/50/50
    [Week 19-23] Nolva 40/40/20/20

    HCG?
    Here's another thread with pictures and more info!
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...l-Pics!-HELP-D


    See Bold and clarify

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
    What about adding some test (enanthate) for the last 4weeks? In addition to Eq/Win/Var...?
    Ummm no....... Dude answer one question. WHy on earth are you doing this to your body. Some of us have been taking AAS for years and would never ever take what your taking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy20 View Post
    Erectile dysfunction.
    ^^^^lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
    Hey hey!


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    Cycle :
    [WEEK 1-6] Dianabol 30/40/40/50/50/50
    [WEEK 1-10] Sustanon 500mg
    [WEEK 1-14] Equipoise 600mg
    [WEEK 10-16] Winstrol 40/50/50/50/50/50
    [WEEK 10-16] Anavar 60/60/80/80/80/80

    PCT:
    [Week 19-23] Clomid 100/50/50/50
    [Week 19-23] Nolva 40/40/20/20

    Here's another thread with pictures and more info!
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...l-Pics!-HELP-D

    For a first cycle it is severe overkill and the cycle structure does not make any sense to me.

    I probably would have kept the Sust for 10 weeks and went into PCT. For a first cycle you really didn't need any of the orals or even the EQ (which is way overdosed, you should not have a higher dose of EQ to the Sust) which I would have saved for a 2nd cycle in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpalmer View Post
    It is the stupidest 1st cycle I have ever seen. First of all all of your receptors are clean and you will get good results with test only. If you were to stack I would add EQ and that's it. But 3 orals kiss your liver goodbye. Looks like you have lots of reading ahead of you.
    Obviously I still have LOT of reading to do...

    Quote Originally Posted by jfletcher View Post
    After your pct i'd recommend heading down to your doc and getting some blood work done mate..... Who ever recommended you to start off with a cycle like that didn't have your best interests at heart..... More compounds DOES NOT mean more results...
    Yeah ill do so, should I tell him I took roids? He'll notice if something is wrong anyway right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmaousley View Post
    See Bold and clarify
    - Im 24 what else can i say lol?
    - 2x250mg Sust everyweek
    - 2x300mg Eq Ew
    And for the Win and Var I wasnt sure of the dosage..

    Quote Originally Posted by wmaousley View Post
    Ummm no....... Dude answer one question. WHy on earth are you doing this to your body. Some of us have been taking AAS for years and would never ever take what your taking.
    Dude I had no idea! Now Im just trying to do the right things before it's too late!

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    Should I start my PCT after my last Eq or Sust injection?
    18 days for Sust and 21 days for Eq?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca$hMiRe View Post
    - Im 24 what else can i say lol?
    - 2x250mg Sust everyweek
    - 2x300mg Eq Ew
    And for the Win and Var I wasnt sure of the dosage..


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