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    first cycle ever - var

    Hi im going to be starting var in about a week from now. This is going to be the first time taking anything other then protein shakes.
    I'm 6'1 235 20yr and i was weighing in at 285 January 2011 just threw proper diet and working out ive lost 50 lbs.
    Im interested in what i should be taking with it. So far i heard that taking creatine is decent to help. Also how much i should take per day and for how long. I have an idea of taking about 10 mg twice a day for the first couple of days to see how i react with it. After that i was thinking about taking 50 mg threw out the day. For 6-8 weeks. I will be getting enough to go longer but not sure if i should.

    i have been doing some research but im still sorta noob.

    Im looking to cut cut fat of course, but also to get some muscle tone. Im just looking to get about 200lbs since my frame is large with big shoulders and im not looking terrible at 235.

    is that a realistic goal?
    thx for any responses, and help.

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    I just posted this on a thread for a 16 year old kid, excuse me, his buddies little brother. Anyways, it's relevent to you too. i didn't edit, so here it is "raw"

    "unfortunately, I would have to agree ^^ he's too young.

    at his age, his endocrine system is still developing, and by introducing additional hormones into his system, it will change their development, and not for the better. Typically, the endocrine system fully matures in the mid twenties.

    Here is the link from wiki:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocrine_system

    there isn't a single knowledgeable person here that would recommend what your "friend" is contemplating. The reality is, it has only been a few years since puberty, and his hormones are all over the place right now anyways.

    Introducing anavar at such an early age runs a very real risk of shutting down the HPTA system. If this happens, serious problems could result, such as abnormally low testosterone production, ED, low libido, etc.
    here is the wiki link for that:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPTA

    this child will ultimately do what he wants to do. Unfortunately, there is little you or I can do to stop him."

    again, this was a copy and paste from the 16 yr old thread. I won't be so lazy next time.
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    SmileyRon....first of all congrats to you for losing 50 pounds! this is amazing. You can see what you can do naturally. Keep natural please. You can mess with your endocrine system if you take any kind of steroid now since you have not stopped growing. You are interfering with mother nature and she does not take too well to that ever.

    Please start to REALLY pay attention to your food. And get some great sleep. Sleep is when we get our heaviest growth hormone pulse which is when new muscle cells and tissue are created which will help give you more lean mass to help burn those calories. Going to bed earlier than later is also recommended. Again, mother nature likes to produce a lot of gh around 12-2 in the evening and you need to already be asleep for a couple of hours for the pulse to happen so this is how you get the best bang for the buck and get the most out of it.
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    Ya well I'm not sure about all that. But what i am curious is what you think for my situation. I'm going to be 21 in 40 days.
    Are you suggesting that i am to young?

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    Slim he is 20yrs old by the way not 16yrs.

    I agree with both posts above, your to young educate yourself with how to eat to grow and you will be amazed by the results at your age.

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    Im not 16 im not that kid. lol wow~ what will i have to do to prove this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileyron View Post
    Ya well I'm not sure about all that. But what i am curious is what you think for my situation. I'm going to be 21 in 40 days.
    Are you suggesting that i am to young?
    There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

    I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

    I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

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    Yes YOU smileyron are to young!!!!!! give it a few more years before you try any aas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileyron View Post
    Ya well I'm not sure about all that. But what i am curious is what you think for my situation. I'm going to be 21 in 40 days.
    Are you suggesting that i am to young?
    My mistake. Sorry. I will edit my post. 20 is still way too young.

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    We'll i guess i will have to find another place to post and say im a whopping 25 instead of 21 in 1 month to get some info. I appreciate all of you loving mothers information and care tho. But Ive spoken with a few buddies and i was just looking for a little more advice from experienced elders on the situation. Didn't think this was a anti s forum. If i was going to take anything i figured that var would be the best as of the info ive read everything else appears much worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileyron View Post
    We'll i guess i will have to find another place to post and say im a whopping 25 instead of 21 in 1 month to get some info. I appreciate all of you loving mothers information and care tho. But Ive spoken with a few buddies and i was just looking for a little more advice from experienced elders on the situation. Didn't think this was a anti s forum. If i was going to take anything i figured that var would be the best as of the info ive read everything else appears much worse.
    You ask a question and we answered it the best we can for someone with your stats, we are the experienced ones here and your not so why just disregard our advice and go somewhere else and lie about your stats to get the wrong advice.

    Do you see how immature your looking, your messing with something you have no idea about we are experts in this field and we are trying to help you. Do you really want to suffer with low testosterone for life, do you want to be able to get a hard on!!!

    Best of luck you will need it.

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    Smileyron, the advice you have been given is sound. At your age, there is the possibility of irreversible side effects that you wish you didnt have when you are 30 years old.

    You have made excellent progress losing 50 pounds, why not stay natural and keep up the good work? And just so we are all on the same page, VAR won't make you lose weight, only diet and exercise can accomplish that. Hopefully you choose to wait a few more years and see what your body can accomplish naturally.

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    Appreciated~

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileyron View Post
    We'll i guess i will have to find another place to post and say im a whopping 25 instead of 21 in 1 month to get some info. I appreciate all of you loving mothers information and care tho. But Ive spoken with a few buddies and i was just looking for a little more advice from experienced elders on the situation. Didn't think this was a anti s forum. If i was going to take anything i figured that var would be the best as of the info ive read everything else appears much worse.
    IF you want to go to another place and hear what you want to hear, that is up to you. Otherwise please stay here and learn more. If you had any idea how many threads I see where a young buck comes on and is begging for help after starting steroids .

    What is your BF?

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    34% quite a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileyron View Post
    Appreciated~
    we don't get paid to provide info.

    it's a two way street. for starters, we want to make sure the advice/info is appropriate. this means we try to look out for you, even before you realize why we give you the advice we do.

    other wise, you could just hook up with the distributor at the gym, and take whatever. But in a few years, when you develop man tits, or limp dick, or no libido, or damage your liver, or whatever... see, we think about these things too, not just what things we can take to grow muscle.

    The folly of youth is that we (including me when I was young) don't think about our futures until it's too late. But us old bulls know about these things, and that's why give the intel that we do.

    Be patient, stay in the gym, learn all about diet, and take advantage of your natural test production. It's a gift, and it aint always gonna be there

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileyron View Post
    34% quite a bit
    yet another reason why you are not ready.... age.... bf%

    Slimmer, I'll let you take this one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileyron View Post
    34% quite a bit
    This is even another reason not to take any steroids . Most guys do not even think about using until they get under 20% and better yet below 15%. All kinds of sides can happen. This only shows that you have yet learned to eat correctly and I know this is hard to hear since you already took off 50 pounds. But wouldn't you like to have some solid weight loss with fat out of the picture?

    Hey....I know where you are coming from...believe me. I wanted a get thin pill too. We all do. Any of us who need to get rid of that BF wants a quick solution. But guess what? Those guys and girls you see who are ripped work at it.

    And here is something else: IF I HAD TO END UP IN THE DIET QUESTION FORUM THEN SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE!

    So....please come on over There are pros there waiting for you! I promise they will sort you out. How 'bout it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileyron View Post
    34% quite a bit
    At 34% BF no juice will help you. Learn to eat properly and train. If you don't care about getting a hard-on, or having hormonal problems for the rest of your life then waste your money & time with Steroids . If you actually care about your body, post your diet in the diet section, grow, lose weight, eat better, train harder. 4 Years later you could easily transform yourself down to single digit bodyfat and have muscles.

    Thinking about Anavar as a first cycle shows your ignorance to steroid knowledge. Spend a lot more time researching, there's tons of great stickies full of good, proven, information. In the mean time : diet & exercise.

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    Honestly I've never taken a real BF test. figured the more id say the better it'd sound.:P So i guess ill ask around at my gym for a real test regardless im going to do what i want to do already spend the money alrdy have 2kmg waiting. regardless in about 3 months from now ill be back with results and ill either tell you how you are all wrong, and your information was from people who feel you have to earn steroids with age or w/e or ill say you guys are right my dicks limp liver is failing and i have 2 months to live. untill then we'll have to see

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    Why even ask questions if your going to do it anyway, your lack maturity is shinning. You should listen to the experts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileyron View Post
    honestly i've never taken a real bf test. Figured the more id say the better it'd sound. so i guess ill ask around at my gym for a real test regardless im going to do what i want to do already spend the money alrdy have 2kmg waiting. regardless in about 3 months from now ill be back with results and ill either tell you how you are all wrong, and your information was from people who feel you have to earn steroids with age or w/e or ill say you guys are right my dicks limp liver is failing and i have 2 months to live. Untill then we'll have to see
    good luck!

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    And as far as dieting goes had a personal trainer for 4 months who taught me how to eat, and portion control, how to eat 5-6 small meals a day chicken breast small carbs and green veggies. and fish, 93/7 no junk food. Ive been doing that for about 4/5 months. and befor i was in high school i weighed 205 when football stopd i kept my eating habit with no exercise and gained alot of weight. since I've cut that out i have progressed amazing imo.

    my problem was just eating fast food 4 - 5 times a week drinking 8-12 sodas a day. Eating past 9oclock.
    thx for everyone's help and advice

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    You are welcome. We can simply agree to disagree on this one. And I bet if you posted your current diet in the Diet Question forum you might be surprised to learn even more. May as well.....you have nothing to lose....or do you? ( pun)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimmerMe View Post
    You are welcome. We can simply agree to disagree on this one. And I bet if you posted your current diet in the Diet Question forum you might be surprised to learn even more. May as well.....you have nothing to lose....or do you? ( pun)
    ya i would diffidently have a lot more to learn in nutrition, and i probably will check out that section. but im on a good track now with my pre meals *since i can cook again* and i dont think my buddies who are very into what they do would suggest i do things that are going to hurt me with 100% fact. of course there is a chance but there's a chance walking across the road to the gym so eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileyron View Post
    ya i would diffidently have a lot more to learn in nutrition, and i probably will check out that section. but im on a good track now with my pre meals *since i can cook again* and i dont think my buddies who are very into what they do would suggest i do things that are going to hurt me with 100% fact. of course there is a chance but there's a chance walking across the road to the gym so eh.
    PROBABLY? let's make that a definite. OKAY? just to see. Compare. You never know. And just the smallest of things can help turn you around.

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