losing strength on tren? WTF

[PowerliftWill]

Hey guys dropped my test down to 250mg/wk and added in my homebrew tren at 75mg/day. This is my 4th day on tren and today I woke up flat as hell, no vascularity, feeling no where near amped up like I usually am on gear only to get to the gym and realized I lost strength!!! had zero energy, not amped at all to try, no aggressiveness. WTF? Is this because of me dropping my test dosage? Im really bolstered right now as to what is causing this. I added tren thinking it would promote aggressiveness and eagerness to train and so far its done the opposite. Diet is going good, could afford to eat more carbs, protein always high. Any thoughts guys?

[PK-V]

Something else could be going on besides the gear

Is this your first time brewing?

What about tren, your first time?

tren ace?

[PowerliftWill]

Something else could be going on besides the gear

Is this your first time brewing?

What about tren, your first time?

tren ace?

ya it's my first using tren ace and homebrewing. I feel fine besides the strength loss. Maybe it's my routine...i've been doing 5x5's for around 3 months now and although my strength has shot up, my mass hasn't really moved and im starting to think I need to increase my reps

[PK-V]

you taking an AI/serm at the moment?

a lot of things could be factoring in ovetraining could be one

one way to check would be to drop the ace and up the test to your normal dosage then reintroduce the tren and see what happens

how many weeks into this cycle are you?

[PowerliftWill]

you taking an AI/serm at the moment?

a lot of things could be factoring in ovetraining could be one

one way to check would be to drop the ace and up the test to your normal dosage then reintroduce the tren and see what happens

how many weeks into this cycle are you?

I was taking an AI until a few days ago when I started the tren and everything was fine up until then. Im about 7 weeks into the cycle w/ test cyp. I think i need to up my test dosage. i thought id be better with low test/ high tren, but maybe not.

[frignugs]

what was your test at before?

[PowerliftWill]

what was your test at before?

750mg/wk..dropped to 250mg to avoid tren sides as much as possible.

[frignugs]

and you just dropped it down while adding in tren 4 days ago??

Test should still be going strong in your system. Sounds like a lil burnout.

[frignugs]

Few more questions,

How long have you been running test for and exactly when did you bump it down to 250mg?

[PowerliftWill]

Few more questions,

How long have you been running test for and exactly when did you bump it down to 250mg?

7 weeks for test...bumped it down to 250mg this week.

[warren916]

Take a few days off and i would drop 5x5...

Ill use 5x5 to break thru plateaus, but i feel rep ranges from 10-12, even as high as 15, to be the best for muscle stimulation/growth.

Dont feel constrained to a certain number, you can always throw a 5x1, 3x1, 1x1 sets in the mix.

[PowerliftWill]

Take a few days off and i would drop 5x5...

Ill use 5x5 to break thru plateaus, but i feel rep ranges from 10-12, even as high as 15, to be the best for muscle stimulation/growth.

Dont feel constrained to a certain number, you can always throw a 5x1, 3x1, 1x1 sets in the mix.

I thought so...like I got pretty strong, but I think it burns you out quick and I haven't really gained muscle as much as fat when I add alot more calories. problem is getting stronger is pretty important to me along with how I look, I just don't want my strength goal to step in the way of how big I can get.

[songdog]

Yeah the test is still in your system.Could be burn out.I really aint sure.I did 5x5s a long time.I got burned out.I do reps of 8.Everyones different.Good luck.

[snowman]

ya it's my first using tren ace and homebrewing. I feel fine besides the strength loss. Maybe it's my routine...i've been doing 5x5's for around 3 months now and although my strength has shot up, my mass hasn't really moved and im starting to think I need to increase my reps

5x5 for around 3 months??? i think you burned out; i do it for a month and i think its a lot; change your workout, and if you think you can eat more carbs ( until you start feeling better) then do it...

[PowerliftWill]

5x5 for around 3 months??? i think you burned out; i do it for a month and i think its a lot; change your workout, and if you think you can eat more carbs ( until you start feeling better) then do it...

I just now stalled, ive been gaining strength very well for these 3 months. problem is, I never gained much mass no matter how much I ate. I'd just gain fat if I ate too much.

[frignugs]

I just now stalled, ive been gaining strength very well for these 3 months. problem is, I never gained much mass no matter how much I ate. I'd just gain fat if I ate too much.

Perosnally, I would take a 2 weeks break, keep test low. Rest your body up a bit. Then come on with tren and test with a higher volume training regime. Thats me though..

[PowerliftWill]

Perosnally, I would take a 2 weeks break, keep test low. Rest your body up a bit. Then come on with tren and test with a higher volume training regime. Thats me though..

i took a week off a few weeks ago when I realized my lifts were slowing down. The higher volume I agree with tho. Tomorrow I will start that.

[snowman]

I just now stalled, ive been gaining strength very well for these 3 months. problem is, I never gained much mass no matter how much I ate. I'd just gain fat if I ate too much.

Something tells me, you diet is not in check....
whats your status?
whats you daily diet like? how many calories are you taking daily.
You dont have to eat like a pig to gain muscle ( i used to do that when i was younger, BUT also gained fat); you need to learn how to eat smart to gain muscle, count the calories and divide it into at least 6 meals

[PowerliftWill]

Something tells me, you diet is not in check....
whats your status?
whats you daily diet like? how many calories are you taking daily.
You dont have to eat like a pig to gain muscle ( i used to do that when i was younger, BUT also gained fat); you need to learn how to eat smart to gain muscle, count the calories and divide it into at least 6 meals

im 5'7" 210 right now with around 15-16%BF. 8 meals a day...50grams protein each meal, lots of chicken, tuna, oats, brown rice. I eat VERY clean because I can get fat easy. my carbs around 300g. the rest from fat. Eating around 3500 calories.

[chuckt12345]

prb your body reacting to tren,, give it time,, its def not the test though. Got to remember your adding new hormones into your body,, everyone reacts different

[PowerliftWill]

prb your body reacting to tren,, give it time,, its def not the test though. Got to remember your adding new hormones into your body,, everyone reacts different

True but I probably should change to 8-10reps and see what type of mass I can attain. I'd definitely keep deads at 5 reps but squats bench and everything else at 8-10 and see what that does for me. I just don't feel that for being on 750mg test for 7 weeks would only give me around 10 lbs...the majority probably water despite eating enough. It must be my training.

[gymnerd]

and you just dropped it down while adding in tren 4 days ago??

Test should still be going strong in your system. Sounds like a lil burnout.

I agree, it is not the gear! tren isnt kicked in yet IMO and the test is still jacked high. 5 x 5 can run your CNS into the shitter fast if you are strong and move a good amt of weight. I would suggest 5 3 1 and do alot of bodybuilding exersizes for volume and mass. I run westside conjugate method and I could never run 5 x 5 too much repetative compound volume. Congugate is way more effective for more advanced lifters and 5 3 1 or jugernaught is simple and wont run you into the ground. If you stay with the 5 x 5 I would suggest a deload week every 4th wk do alot of conditiong stuff and lighter high rep stuff and avoid the three main lifts.

Its my opinion 5 x 5 is better for younger lifters and newer, that is alot of volume for someone who is moving any kind of weight anyways thats what I would suggest for what its worth. Cannot keep pushing have to step back sometimes to go forward with training.

[dec11]

you could just have had an off day, we all get them at times and feel flat, if i get the feeling on my 1st lift at the gym i just walk straight out again, sometimes it just aint happening

[PowerliftWill]

I agree, it is not the gear! tren isnt kicked in yet IMO and the test is still jacked high. 5 x 5 can run your CNS into the shitter fast if you are strong and move a good amt of weight. I would suggest 5 3 1 and do alot of bodybuilding exersizes for volume and mass. I run westside conjugate method and I could never run 5 x 5 too much repetative compound volume. Congugate is way more effective for more advanced lifters and 5 3 1 or jugernaught is simple and wont run you into the ground. If you stay with the 5 x 5 I would suggest a deload week every 4th wk do alot of conditiong stuff and lighter high rep stuff and avoid the three main lifts.

Its my opinion 5 x 5 is better for younger lifters and newer, that is alot of volume for someone who is moving any kind of weight anyways thats what I would suggest for what its worth. Cannot keep pushing have to step back sometimes to go forward with training.

Ya my biggest concern was not adding any mass really. Like I love my strength, but if you don't have the size to make it look like you've been juicing, I don't see the point in doing them. So it's definitely time for more volume but higher reps. Going to start at 10 and go from there. Possibly higher for legs.

[themoreyouknow]

its the tren most likely. the first couple weeks of tren i feel like shit. dont want to get out of bed, want to take naps all the time. for me, getting to the gym is the hard part but once im there, im fired up and ready to go.

[PowerliftWill]

its the tren most likely. the first couple weeks of tren i feel like shit. dont want to get out of bed, want to take naps all the time. for me, getting to the gym is the hard part but once im there, im fired up and ready to go.

That exactly described how I feel. Does it pass after a few weeks when it kicks in?

[gymnerd]

Ya my biggest concern was not adding any mass really. Like I love my strength, but if you don't have the size to make it look like you've been juicing, I don't see the point in doing them. So it's definitely time for more volume but higher reps. Going to start at 10 and go from there. Possibly higher for legs.

If you do that you will not be getting much stronger, thats the balance. My main lifts is either 1rm or 3rm, then I do high volume BB exersizes for mass, throw in dynamic phase or speed work and you will have all bases covered.

[themoreyouknow]

That exactly described how I feel. Does it pass after a few weeks when it kicks in?

it definitely gets better..still not how you would feel on a straight test cycle. but its gets a lot better. the first 2-3 week blew.

[PowerliftWill]

If you do that you will not be getting much stronger, thats the balance. My main lifts is either 1rm or 3rm, then I do high volume BB exersizes for mass, throw in dynamic phase or speed work and you will have all bases covered.

Thanks for the info. Im okay with a temporary cease in strength if it means I can gain some considerable mass...I think it's appropriate to use it now more than ever since ive been training for strength for months now not to mention im bulking. I feel the mean reason other than reps that im lagging mass is because of my legs. Theyre so damn strong but not the biggest and I think low rep work has alot to do with it. Time for mass.

Appreciate the info guys, always knowledgeable...best board on the net easily.

[PowerliftWill]

Just an update guys. it's been a week since ive been on tren 75mg/ed and im still not feeling much from it. Tiny bit of waking up at night but I fall asleep possibly better than I did with a high test dosage....no explosive strength increase yet, still feeling pretty flat despite carbs being moderate-high. Vascularity is pretty shitty right now actually. Seems like im gaining fat actually and im not sure why, maybe it's just the descreased vascularity and hardness im observing. It's annoying because I know to bulk on tren I have to eat big but ive been holding back since I look like I might be gaining fat Just wondering if I should be more patient with it? It's homebrew 100mg/ml actually a more around 102-103mg/ml (ran out of cottonseed) so i know it's legit tren since it came from finaplix-h. Any thoughts?

[MBMETC]

How's your libido I'm running prop and tren a and feel kinda like you do, no energy couldn't barley move 80lb db's the other day my mood is up and down I don't even feel like I have test running through me. I'm thinking maybe estro is too high I started my ai and I'm gonna take a couple days off

[PowerliftWill]

How's your libido I'm running prop and tren a and feel kinda like you do, no energy couldn't barley move 80lb db's the other day my mood is up and down I don't even feel like I have test running through me. I'm thinking maybe estro is too high I started my ai and I'm gonna take a couple days off

my libido decent..no better than off cycle. Now it gets crazy 15 min after I take an AI...so I think I have a shit load of estrogen in my body, hence the fat gain or bloat. I have probably around 15% BF now so that doesn't help at all and is the main reason from bloating. I ordered some letro...people say adex will kill ur sex drive yet 10 min after I down some liquidex...im horny as ****. Nailed my gf a few hours ago and already need to jack it aha (tmi) but my libido isn't like that unless i take an AI.

[MBMETC]

my libido decent..no better than off cycle. Now it gets crazy 15 min after I take an AI...so I think I have a shit load of estrogen in my body, hence the fat gain or bloat. I have probably around 15% BF now so that doesn't help at all and is the main reason from bloating. I ordered some letro...people say adex will kill ur sex drive yet 10 min after I down some liquidex...im horny as ****. Nailed my gf a few hours ago and already need to jack it aha (tmi) but my libido isn't like that unless i take an AI.

I ran adex all through my last test e deca cycle and when the test kick I was beating that sh.. Like it owed my Money...lol

[PowerliftWill]

I ran adex all through my last test e deca cycle and when the test kick I was beating that sh.. Like it owed my Money...lol

Ya it's working for libido, but not so much for water retention...I still feel like im gaining fat and im only on 250mg/wk test and 75mg/ed tren. Yet im losing weight because i dipped my cals thinkin im gaining fat. I know its the f ucking water retention...im super sensitive. Hopefully letro can take care of that so I can continue to bulk. im sick of not being able to eat even low gi carbs like oatmeal that much or else im a blowfish. sooooo stupid.

I heard letro works so well because it crosses into adipose tissue easily compared to adex so it works bettet since almost all of men's aromatase enzymes are located in fat cells

[MBMETC]

I'm the same way I was just bitching about carb bloat and Damien reccomnded a product called anabolic pump it's for carb bloat and it seems to help.

[PowerliftWill]

I'm the same way I was just bitching about carb bloat and Damien reccomnded a product called anabolic pump it's for carb bloat and it seems to help.

it sucks, i cant stand it. idk why im so carb sensitive. I think it may be time to cut...maybe the high BF has alot to do with it...shitty insulin sensitivity.

[Ashop]

Hey guys dropped my test down to 250mg/wk and added in my homebrew tren at 75mg/day. This is my 4th day on tren and today I woke up flat as hell, no vascularity, feeling no where near amped up like I usually am on gear only to get to the gym and realized I lost strength!!! had zero energy, not amped at all to try, no aggressiveness. WTF? Is this because of me dropping my test dosage? Im really bolstered right now as to what is causing this. I added tren thinking it would promote aggressiveness and eagerness to train and so far its done the opposite. Diet is going good, could afford to eat more carbs, protein always high. Any thoughts guys?

what was your TEST dosage before you dropped it?

[PowerliftWill]

what was your TEST dosage before you dropped it?

Post #7....750mg/wk. Not sure why this would have anything to do with what i am experiencing.

[PowerliftWill]

Just an update....out of feeling like shit on low dose test and higher tren, I bumped my test dose back up while still using an AI and I feel SOOO much better...vascularity is back to normal, same with sex drive, and im so much more eager to go to the gym. Maybe im just a high test guy. Could just be placebo so ill keep you guys updated in upcoming weeks.

[themoreyouknow]

Just an update....out of feeling like shit on low dose test and higher tren, I bumped my test dose back up while still using an AI and I feel SOOO much better...vascularity is back to normal, same with sex drive, and im so much more eager to go to the gym. Maybe im just a high test guy. Could just be placebo so ill keep you guys updated in upcoming weeks.

thats good you're feeling better. If it doesnt stay like that just drop the tren..then tren will clear out quickly