First cycle?

[chuck2600]

I'm sure this has been asked here before and you're probably sick of it popping up but this is my first time here so please.. be patient. I'll get better as time goes on.
Like the title says, I'm sure no one can answer this definitely but that's not what I'm looking for. Rather a direction towards good information on how I should approach and do my first cycle (assuming I go through with it).
I'm just looking to be shown the right direction to proper information or if anyone with experience would like to PM that would also be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

[Bigd89]

What are your stats?

Age:
Height:
weight:
bf%:
Workout exp:

Plus, you need 50 post to pm.

[chuck2600]

Age: 21
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 210
Bf%: 14 or so
Workout experince: 14 months consistant (that's 14 months without missing a single workout) and about 1 year or more of inconsistant lifting going as far back as age 15. I don't smoke, drink at all or do any rec drugs. I lift 2 days on 1 day off following a push, pull, leg routine. Right now my pb's are Bench: 275X5, Rack pull (below the knee) I gave up dling because I found rack pulls better and I do stiff legs on leg day 450X6. Squat: 320X5 @ 90.
I know my body well and I can definatly gauge how much I burn in the course of a day by a few hundred calories.

[Bigd89]

We have virtually the same stats. Im just 7lbs heavier. What exactly is your question? You have a solid base...

[chuck2600]

Just looking to be guided in the right direction towards a first cycle. Also is 21 really too young? I mean there are tons of people that start earlier with little to know knowledge, don't even follow a proper pct and seem to have no negative side effects.

[Windex]

Age: 21
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 210
Bf%: 14 or so
Workout experince: 14 months consistant (that's 14 months without missing a single workout) and about 1 year or more of inconsistant lifting going as far back as age 15. I don't smoke, drink at all or do any rec drugs. I lift 2 days on 1 day off following a push, pull, leg routine. Right now my pb's are Bench: 275X5, Rack pull (below the knee) I gave up dling because I found rack pulls better and I do stiff legs on leg day 450X6. Squat: 320X5 @ 90.
I know my body well and I can definatly gauge how much I burn in the course of a day by a few hundred calories.

PB's do not mean anything in relation to steroids, they are just a number. Secondly, you are way to young to be doing steroids, your endocrine system is still developing and taking steroids now risks you in having permanent problems for the rest of your life (infertility, erectile dysfunction, low testosterone, etc). 14 months is NOTHING for training. Some guys here have been training for FIVE YEARS ("without missing a single workout" - including Christmas). You need to do a lot more nutrition research and research in steroids in general. There is tons of free information here. However, you should definitely post your diet in the diet section and get the straightened out first. After going hard for another 4 years you will notice a huge improvement in your appearance, strength, and overall well-being.

Bottom-Line: You are not ready to take steroids, fix your diet (tons of people here have no problem helping you out), and research in your spare time for the future.

[Bigd89]

Your going to hear alot of different opinions on this one. I feel if the person has a solid base with diet and pct in check, I don't see any harm.

[chuck2600]

Diet is fine bro, I know plenty about proper nutrition and how to gain. I also know that the natural route is a much longer route, that is afterall why most people start in the first place isn't it?
Again I do not have my mind made up on anything I'm just posting here to asess the rewards and risks and see what one cancels the other out.

[Bigd89]

Post some pics up so we can see your base. Not doubting you by any means...

[Windex]

Just looking to be guided in the right direction towards a first cycle. Also is 21 really too young? I mean there are tons of people that start earlier with little to know knowledge, don't even follow a proper pct and seem to have no negative side effects.

The worst side effects, no matter what drug you take, be it cocaine, cigarettes, or steroids, are the side effects you do not see. Distrupting the development of your homornal system and causing a huge shift in the homeostasis of your body is extremely dangerous. Just because you don't get acne or your testicles return to normal size after juicing does not mean you didn't suffer any long term damage. There are many guys on this forum who made the mistake of taking steroids at a young age and now need to take Viagra like their breathe mints just to get an erection and these men are only 25-30 years old.

In addition, besides hormonal complications, you risk physical injury by taking steroids too early. Muscle grows and builds much quicker than tendons and ligaments. Your body cannot handle going from for example benching 200 lbs to benching 305 lbs in one month. Tearing something like your rotator cuff or achilles tendon means your not going to train for up to a year, plus lose muscle mass from not training, and be worse off from where you started.

Finally, taking steroids with poor a poor diet means you will not keep your gains.

[chuck2600]

Post some pics up so we can see your base. Not doubting you by any means...

This was when I was done cutting, I'm 203 there (weighed in the am after using the bathroom) now I'm like 208-209 now that water and glycogen are restored. Not exactly sure what my other measurements are but my legs are like 25" and arms a bit over 16" cold flexed

[Windex]

Diet is fine bro, I know plenty about proper nutrition and how to gain. I also know that the natural route is a much longer route, that is afterall why most people start in the first place isn't it?
Again I do not have my mind made up on anything I'm just posting here to asess the rewards and risks and see what one cancels the other out.

If your diet is fine then please post it here. Proper nutrtion and eating healthy; and proper nutrtion and bodybuilding are two completely different concepts. Making a "pro/con" list to see which outweighs the other shows how ignorant you are to steroids. Not tryin to be rude, but you need to be intimately aware of your own body as well as any compounds you put in your body, especially AAS. If you do not have any trouble still making gains, then there is no beneficial reason to be taking AAS at your age.

[chuck2600]

My diet is different every day, my maintenace ranges from about 3.5-4.5kcal and I eat 500 over maintenace. My macros are at least 250 g of protein a day, 125+ g of fat and the rest in carbs. Everything els is irrevant (if you think other wise please educate yourself) go read aa blong or some info my lyle mcdonald.

[Bigd89]

You could make alot more gains naturally. I would wait a couple more years, we have pretty much the same stats but totally different body's

[chuck2600]

Probably, but the idea of having to bust my ass for a year to put on 15lbs tops kills me. I'll do it if I have to (dedication is not an issue) but if there's an eiaser way and the sides are minimal I will take it.
Btw how old/ big were you when you did your first cycle?

[Bigd89]

My first cycle is coming up very soon actually. Im 21 6'2 about 217-220lbs.

[chuck2600]

bigd89 do you post on bbdotcom?

[Bigd89]

I did when I was like 17 or so...its been so long I forgot my username and password lol

[chuck2600]

Maybe I'll just spam this site till I hit 50 posts then PM you. I'm mainly looking for support/ someone to talk to, someone my age and close in stats would be even better.
The temptations are so hard to deal with, it seems like everyone is on the juice these days and it having to bust ass for 6 months to see a couple lbs of gains seems like labour in vain.

[Bigd89]

I can only give you so much info because im a newb myself when it comes to gear. What info I have is solid though.

[Fetch]

The best advice is to wait, bud. The risks for using steroids are dramatically higher for people under the age of 24-25, because your endocrine system is not done developing until then. By using steroids now, you are seriously risking your future health... for some gains that you could be achieving naturally.

[chuck2600]

Thanks, If I do go through with it I plan on taking the proper precautions.

Either way what tests should I get done?
Where would I go to get them done?
(family doc, er room, ect?)

[Blade15]

I think you should wait for 4 years more... If you want to run a long run in this field...

[chuck2600]

What do you mean by that? There are plenty of teens that run cycles with little to no sides who don't even lift.

What if I run just Test E for 6-8 weeks and follow a proper pct? Also whould taking a anti estrogen lower the risks of getting gyno?

[Windex]

What do you mean by that? There are plenty of teens that run cycles with little to no sides who don't even lift.

What if I run just Test E for 6-8 weeks and follow a proper pct? Also whould taking a anti estrogen lower the risks of getting gyno?

You still don't understand, the worst side effects are the ones you can't see. Gyno can be treated with drugs and eventually surgery in extreme circumstances. Erectile Dysfunction means your going to be taking a Viagra every time you wanna watch some amateur pr0n or get lucky at the club because you chose to cycle while your endocrine system is still developing. Moreover, yes there is a lot of bloodwork that can be done but it's expensive and goodluck trying to convince a physician that you need your Test levels checked. There are tons of stories on this board of people who cycled in when they were young then developed problems in their early twenties.

Yet again as well another post that shows how little knowledge you have to steroids. A test E cycle that short is pointless, because it takes 4-6 weeks for Test to even kick in. Also, I don't have a cluee why you think everyone is juicing these days, you need to stop reading trash bodybuilding magazines or interenet sites full of propaganda.

As previously stated, you have not been lifting nearly long enough and your diet should get posted for critism. 99% of people who first think about steroids and join this forum had something you couldn't even classify as a diet.

All in all, fix your diet and continue training, and constantly self-educating yourself, whether it be scientific journals, medical textbooks, university textbooks, case studies, etc. By the time you reach 25'ish, you shouldn't even need to post a question because you would have done all the research.

[chuck2600]

In all reality I probably won't even do it (knowing myself like a 5% chance I go through with it) and please don't give me that diet bs, I've looked at the diet sections and the people on this board are the biggest bro scientists I've ever seen. Just about everything alan aragon and lyle macdonald write about disagrees with what they say. Btw on a completly off topic note I've wanted to get my test lelvels checked just for curiosity (I think they're high) why would it be so hard to get my faimly doctor to order one?

[chuck2600]

Bumping for answers about getting test levels checked

[Windex]

In all reality I probably won't even do it (knowing myself like a 5% chance I go through with it) and please don't give me that diet bs, I've looked at the diet sections and the people on this board are the biggest bro scientists I've ever seen. Just about everything alan aragon and lyle macdonald write about disagrees with what they say. Btw on a completly off topic note I've wanted to get my test lelvels checked just for curiosity (I think they're high) why would it be so hard to get my faimly doctor to order one?

If you think they are bro scientists, I encourage you to go to the "Transformation Challenge" thread and look at all the Before/After pictures that were accomplished through strict dieting. Secondly, getting Estradiol, LH, FSH, Total Testosterone, and Free Testosterone checked are expensive tests, costing several hundred dollars. A doctor not only has medical but moral obligations when practising medicine. He/She will not waste the governments money on a young adult just because the individual is curious. Outside of bodybuilding, there is no reason to get Test levels checked at such a young age unless there is significant family history of low-Testosterone or TRT related problems. To emphasize, I am from Canada, where bloodwork is free, and when I went to my family doctor She wouldn't give me the requisition of Bloodwork for the above tests. I had to go through a back-door route O_o.

P.S. - Taking Anabolics is not a reason you tell your Doctor for getting Bloodwork.

[chuck2600]

I'm also from Canada I was hoping that it would not be an issue. My doctor actually requested I come in soon for a check up to get blood work done (because I never had one before or gotten any done). Also I'm sure they had great results because of their OCD diets eating "350 clean meals a day". It works but guess what, it's competly uncessacary, you don't need to eat 8 times a day, and your body can't tell if food is "clean" or not. It's just molecules, and you're body takes allot longer then 3 ****in hours to fully digest protein.

[Windex]

I'm also from Canada I was hoping that it would not be an issue. My doctor actually requested I come in soon for a check up to get blood work done (because I never had one before or gotten any done). Also I'm sure they had great results because of their OCD diets eating "350 clean meals a day". It works but guess what, it's competly uncessacary, you don't need to eat 8 times a day, and your body can't tell if food is "clean" or not. It's just molecules, and you're body takes allot longer then 3 ****in hours to fully digest protein.

Being from Canada is actually more of a problem for us, because Americans can just pay for the tests out of their pockets (Correct me if I'm wrong). Secondly, if you think that food is food and a calorie is a calorie, I would entertain the challenge of you eating Protein Shakes & Snicker Bars for your carbs,protein,and fats and see how you feel. Your also trying to argue with a medical student here, so goodluck.

[chuck2600]

Eating a varried diet is important yes, getting your micro nutrients is important yes. I'm not saying eat nothing but refined sugar and whey powder but all that really matters at the end of the day is hitting your macros as far as body composition is concerned. You don't need any magical ****in rations of pfc post or pre workout, the shiit just does not matter (the stuff the bros on the site preach)