first cycle

[davep7]

my stats are
age - 25
height - 5'9"
weight-180
bf% - idk i run alot 3 mile in 19 min. probably on the low side

im looking to do a 11 week cycle of
test-e 400-500 a week
dbol - 20 mg ED first 3-5 weeks
nolva - 10 mg ED + ED throughout PCT

pct is 3 weeks starting around 250mg clomid down to 0mg

does this sound ok for a first cycle im looking to gain about 20 lbs but still keep my ability to run and walk for miles on end with a 30-50 lb pack

would you guys suggest anything else for my pct and should i be taking nolva from the start or just wait to take it if any ERSE's arise ?

[davep7]

bump-o-licious

[scotty51312]

hmmm... must be a marine. Test wont' really affect your PFT times but the dbol will take toll on your cardio.

I'm gonna put this nicely. your PCT is crap Clomid even at 100mg a day for me causes vision problems. Blurry vision, emotional issues. U don't want to take 250mg of clomid a day.

Why nolva durring the cycle. Why on an aromatase inhibitor?

My advice. more research devil dog, Read for a while in or PCT forum and read through the educational threads, I know there's still one posted there that says 300mg of clomid the first day, but thats way outdted

[songdog]

Ok there Devil Dog Dbol will give you some bad back pumps.You dont want them.Not having to run or walk a long way anyway.Your pct is weak.I suggest you do as Scotty says and read on the pct.In the pct section.$00mg test is good.Do only 1 compound on your 1st cycle.Research devil Dog its all here.Dont believe gym rats.That can get you in trouble.Thats some free advise from a xjarhead.SEMBER FI

[Tlee8769]

I would think about the use of HCG in your cycle 250 iu 2 to 3 times a week. I would look here if i was you http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-A-with-Swifto.... Read throughout this thread about 4 postings down swifto has a basic PCT outline for Test im following this protocol right now and seems to be working great best of luck.

[davep7]

i found a pct by Pinnacle that i thought looked good and made sense to me. you guys have any thoughts on this ? and should i be running any SERMS/AI'S/HCG while on cycle ??

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

read that taking hcg while on cycle helps with natural gonadal function

[davep7]

bumps

[scotty51312]

i found a pct by Pinnacle that i thought looked good and made sense to me. you guys have any thoughts on this ? and should i be running any SERMS/AI'S/HCG while on cycle ??

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

read that taking hcg while on cycle helps with natural gonadal function

HCG is good on cycle but can be counterproductive . Simple basic PCT would be

nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50/50

[davep7]

HCG is good on cycle but can be counterproductive . Simple basic PCT would be

nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50/50

what do you mean it can be counterprooductive ? i've heard that before but ive also heard the opposite, just looking for other peoples opinions on hcg for use during cycle as well as for pct.

@ scotty where about in ohio you from

[scotty51312]

Cincinasti, Ohio here.

The whole purpose of PCT is to make your brain tell your testes to start producing test again naturally. Since while on cycle you're using HCG to do the same thing the atrophy of the testes doesn't occur. The purpose of nolva and clomid is to block estrogen receptors and through a method i lack the education to explain pretty much tricks your HPTA into producing test faster than it normally would.

[davep7]

im looking to do a 11 week cycle of
test-e 400-500 a week
dbol - 20 mg ED first 3-5 weeks

i was going to take the following as my pct but as ive been reading id prefer to prevent gonads from shrinking instead of remedying them.

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

this is what i think i should change my cycle to look like

test-e 400-500 a week
dbol - 20 mg ED first 3-5 weeks
HCG 250ius 2 or 3 times/wk (on cycle)
Aromasin 10mg/EOD (on cycle)
pct
wk 1-6 Tamox (nolva) 20mg/ED
wk 1-6 Toremifene 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days)

pros/cons between the two ?

[scotty51312]

2nd PCT looks good to me, I've never used torem and i respond well to clomid/tamox. I'd personally run the Dbol higher. 40mg ED

[davep7]

k sounds good im still gonna take vitamin E, and liv52 so i think 40 mg wont be so bad

[cantbetouched]

are you saying 40mg of dbol? if not you might want to up the dbol 20 mg is kinda low. try for 30 - 50mg ed

[Tlee8769]

I would for sure go with the second PCT much better im currently using it and seems to be working amazing. HCG is the best way to go in my opinion im in week 5 and jewels are still there while my buddies are peanuts he isnt using HCG.