Avoiding clomid.

[learnerdriver]

Not posted for a long while but i have still been stalking you guys.

Looking to do my first cycle of test e 500mg p/w and am hoping to avoid the use of clomid. Would a nolva only pct be acceptable. I am thinking of adding adex at .5mg E3D to keep estro issues at bay. Well actually would be adding that for paranoia's sake.

Do you feel hcg would be needed as this is a rather light cycle. So here is how the cycle will look

Week 1-10 Test E (500mg. per week)
Week 1-10 adex (.5mg E3D)
Week 9-11 HCG (4 times, once every 5 days) ????????
Week 12-14 Nolvadex (40mg. per day)
Week 14-16 Nolvadex (20mg. per day)

Any input would be much appreciated.

Stats

Age 29
6ft
Weight : 188
Bodyfat 13/14%

[learnerdriver]

bump

[Lemonada8]

Prolly can get more with diet and working out buuuuut its ur choice.

Yes ur cycle of test e is fine, save the ai until erse become bad then start with nolva and order a ai. Ur hcg is off you need 250 iu during cycle and when pct starts 2500 iu burst the week before and first week.

Nolva and hcg pct is good imo

Good luck

[J. Cole]

In Swifto's PCT recommendations he offers toremifene as a substitute for clomid or tamox, whichever you would like to use. So in your case if you were looking to stay away from clomid, you could do nolva and torem. Check out swifto's pct in the pct section to get the doses and more information

[layeazy]

maybe try Torem less sides than both nolva and clomid and will help LH and FSH recover faster..

[learnerdriver]

Cheers peeps i will look into toremifene. I'm still unsure about whether to run adex throughout as a precaution, some say yes and some say not needed. I know it can impede gains but might be better safe than sorry. Is there a chance of estrogen related issues after the cycle by running adex throughout and keeping estrogen too low.

[abuleh]

I would extend the Test E cycle to at least 12 wks
Take Adex during cycle when you feel you need it (bloat, sensetive nips etc.) unless you know you're prone to Estrogen sides like me (had gyno surgery before).
Nolva only PCT is possible (I've done this many times with light cycles)
Never tried torem but from what I read it is worth looking into it as a substitude for Clomid.

[xeroxy]

Toremifine is similar to tamoxifen, it has no off label use/benefits for hypogonadal males as it's MOA at the hypothalamus is different to clomiphene.