Cycles without Test...

[smashingbox]

Just been reading Anabolics 2006 and 2009 and when reading through some suggested cycles there are quite a few, in fact nearly all of the begginer and intermediate cycles which do not include any test as a base for the cycle.

For example in 2006 some suggested cycles are Tren/Winny for 8 weeks, Deca/Dbol for 10 weeks, Anavar and Primo for 7 weeks... and in 2009 there is Dbol only, Deca/Dbol, and so on...

Wouldnt these cause a shut down of endogenous test, and then without exogenous test as a base, causing loss of sex drive and impotence, etc?

[scotty51312]

[QUOTE=smashingbox;5617446]Just been reading Anabolics 2006 and 2009 and when reading through some suggested cycles there are quite a few, in fact nearly all of the begginer and intermediate cycles which do not include any test as a base for the cycle.

For example in 2006 some suggested cycles are Tren/Winny for 8 weeks, Deca/Dbol for 10 weeks, Anavar and Primo for 7 weeks... and in 2009 there is Dbol only, Deca/Dbol, and so on...

Wouldnt these cause a shut down of endogenous test, and then without exogenous test as a base, causing loss of sex drive and impotence, etc?[/QUOTE]

Yeah. But i guess if you don't mind not being able to get it up, u could still make gains without test.

[Turkish Juicer]

William Llewellyn, the author of several editions of Anabolics is a buffoon. No man with knowledge and self-respect can possibly generate so much BS and put it together in a book. Not only his suggested cycles are terrible in design, his dosing protocols are all off base. I am positive he was financially promoted by several AAS producers and/or distributors to write up all that crap in his books, otherwise his lack of AAS knowledge is simply incommensurable. There are several experienced anabolic members and/or vets on this site who have also intellectually improved themselves over the years through constantly reading and researching and yet they are much more to be trusted compared to this charlatan called William Llewellyn when it comes to AAS use in general.

Any of those suggested cycles above will lead to a complete shutdown of the HTPA at the suggested doses and duration, regardless. Deca/Dbol for 10 weeks will send anyone directly to HRT especially if not followed by a solid PCT protocol, for instance. Add 80mg of Anavar ED on top of 300mg of Primobolan Depot and run it for 7 weeks, you will be most likely shut down at around the middle of the cycle. Moreover, what would be the point of running Primobolan for 7 weeks, seriously... Tren/Winny for 8 weeks is not a reasonable cycle for neither a beginner nor an intermediate, again for various reasons. Argh, this is just all so wrong.

[marcus300]

Just been reading Anabolics 2006 and 2009 and when reading through some suggested cycles there are quite a few, in fact nearly all of the begginer and intermediate cycles which do not include any test as a base for the cycle.

For example in 2006 some suggested cycles are Tren/Winny for 8 weeks, Deca/Dbol for 10 weeks, Anavar and Primo for 7 weeks... and in 2009 there is Dbol only, Deca/Dbol, and so on...

Wouldnt these cause a shut down of endogenous test, and then without exogenous test as a base, causing loss of sex drive and impotence, etc?

Your right these types of cycles will cause shut down and to be honest are very old school. Things have moved on alot since he worte these or then again he could be stuck in the 70's & 80's

[jtuner77]

Tren/Winny for 8 weeks is not a reasonable cycle for neither a beginner nor an intermediate, again for various reasons. Argh, this is just all so wrong.

How is this not a intermediate cycle? I was thinking of running Test Prop, Tren Acetate, an Winny. Please advise why this is not wise....I am learning so I would like to know.

[marcus300]

How is this not a intermediate cycle? I was thinking of running Test Prop, Tren Acetate, an Winny. Please advise why this is not wise....I am learning so I would like to know.

Because it didnt include test, it was just tren and winny

[jtuner77]

Oh i took the term literally as it's a middle ground cycle like not too crazy but not a beginner cycle either.

[parksy]

yes... running these stronger compounds without test as a base will produce major sides... including no penis activity--that is certainly something im not willing to give up

[marcus300]

Oh i took the term literally as it's a middle ground cycle like not too crazy but not a beginner cycle either.

The cycle in questions isnt any good at any stage or level because it doesnt have test in it.

[awms]

There is nothing like test! hand down test is the best all around compound simply because it is what out body makes and also because it is the father of all steroids...it is the gold standard of which all other steroids are compared to. Yes there are stronger compounds but these other compounds come with side effect that really cant be stoped or combated. With test you always know what your geting, you know how to combat the sides you might get, and you dont have to worry about loosing your libido.

Yes you can do cycles without test but imo it wouldnt make sens unless you were 4 weeks out from a bodybuilding competition and even in that case a small amount of test isnt going to bloat you if you have are using a-dex or letro.

Test is best

[Turkish Juicer]

There is nothing like test! hand down test is the best all around compound simply because it is what out body makes and also because it is the father of all steroids...it is the gold standard of which all other steroids are compared to. Yes there are stronger compounds but these other compounds come with side effect that really cant be stoped or combated. With test you always know what your geting, you know how to combat the sides you might get, and you dont have to worry about loosing your libido.

Yes you can do cycles without test but imo it wouldnt make sens unless you were 4 weeks out from a bodybuilding competition and even in that case a small amount of test isnt going to bloat you if you have are using a-dex or letro.

Test is best

I agree for the most part. Although, there are some other very reliable pharmaceutical grade compounds that provide users some advantages with minimum side effects, such as Primobolan Depot.

At any rate, I think most people get overexcited about their cycles while planning it and end up with an overkill design. Test should be sufficent for the first 4-5 cycles IMO. Not only one would save a lot of money that way, but also be able to fully observe what Test is all about without messing with secondary compounds.

[Tlee8769]

I agree for the most part. Although, there are some other very reliable pharmaceutical grade compounds that provide users some advantages with minimum side effects, such as Primobolan Depot.

At any rate, I think most people get overexcited about their cycles while planning it and end up with an overkill design. Test should be sufficent for the first 4-5 cycles IMO. Not only one would save a lot of money that way, but also be able to fully observe what Test is all about without messing with secondary compounds.

Excellent advice im on my first cycle test only and loving it cant imagine anything much better than this.

[smashingbox]

so are there any decent books out there? Obviously Anabolics 200X is at least partially bullshit or out-dated at the least. Wasn't there like an underground steroid handbook or something?

[parksy]

duchaine's USH is also outdate.. written more than 20 years ago.

[buffgator]

I run them, i don't mind ed i never get laid anyway lol. Really though i have done allot of cycles in my life and have only ever once not based them with test. I did an eq and winnie cycl the first time i ever cut down. I didn't have any ed from it though.