Results 1 to 27 of 27
  1. #1
    Granovich's Avatar
    Granovich is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    USA-New Jersey
    Posts
    1,461

    Clen/T3 cycle need help :D

    hello
    i thought of taking doing a cycle before but some guys told me to wait until 25 and convinced me, as im doing good now naturally
    i have been cutting for a while now and got to 16% bodyfat. so i got some clen and t3
    and i want to put them together in a cycle. i never did steroids before
    i have been working out for almost 2 years and i will turn 23 in may...
    i've read alot about this cycle but i saw many cycles and i couldnt tell.
    so do you think i should do only clen ? or both? and can you write me the cycle plz... thank you

  2. #2
    H_U_G_O is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Lebanon
    Posts
    264
    You should do some readings especially about T3, you know it works on your thyroid gland ? if your gland burns 20 % fat/day tren will make it burn around 50 to 60 % as i recall... but believe me you don't want to mess with your thyroid gland.. besides i advise you to wait a little more.. perhaps in your case the best thing to do is find a proper diet and do cardio on daily basis. I'm personally using clen /t3 but i'm very careful when it comes to t3..

  3. #3
    Lemonada8's Avatar
    Lemonada8 is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Read my blog
    Posts
    3,691
    Blog Entries
    2
    dont do T3 at your age especially! it fuks with ur throid, which is one of the least known organs we have, and u can get off tilt and really mess with ur life. Just go with clean diet and Clen . a low dose and HIT should be perfect

  4. #4
    Granovich's Avatar
    Granovich is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    USA-New Jersey
    Posts
    1,461
    great thats what i thought as well because i've read that T3 is very strong
    so whats a good Clen only cycle ?

  5. #5
    Cyclehard is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    East Coast USA
    Posts
    203
    Quote Originally Posted by H_U_G_O View Post
    You should do some readings especially about T3, you know it works on your thyroid gland ? if your gland burns 20 % fat/day tren will make it burn around 50 to 60 % as i recall... but believe me you don't want to mess with your thyroid gland.. besides i advise you to wait a little more.. perhaps in your case the best thing to do is find a proper diet and do cardio on daily basis. I'm personally using clen/t3 but i'm very careful when it comes to t3..
    Tren will make you burn that much on its own or in conjunction with T3?

  6. #6
    jtuner77 is offline Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    777
    Wk1 Clen 60mcg. T3 25mcg
    Wk2 Clen 80mcg, T3 25mcg
    Wk3 Clen 100mcg, T3 25mcg, Keto 2ml
    Wk4 Clen 120mcg, T3 50mcg
    Wk5 Clen 140mcg, T3 50mcg
    Wk6 Clen 160mcg, T3 50mcg, Keto 2ML

    All of this is ED. Subtract the T3 if you like but I say keep the Keto and don't waste your time with Benadryl as I and others rarely see any cleansing effect from it.

    Some will argue to avoid T3 all together and some will say just to take 25mcg of it at most. I am testing the waters right now. Last year I was taking like 100mcg of each Clen and T3 and started to get real tired and gain weight. Went to the doc an I had hyperthyroidism. You need to be careful cause it can have adverse effects and either eat away muscle or force your body to gain weight through Hyperthyroidism.
    Last edited by jtuner77; 04-28-2011 at 01:37 PM.

  7. #7
    calgarian's Avatar
    calgarian is offline ANALbolically inclined "Protein user"
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Tim 'er and Rim 'er
    Posts
    31,328
    how old r u? T3 without test will cause loss of muscles and personally i hate clen I can achieve same result without clen and adding just 15 minutes extra on cardio but its just me.

  8. #8
    MuttonChop's Avatar
    MuttonChop is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    346
    Muscle loss on T3 up till 75mcg/ED without anabolics is over exaggerated given sufficient protein intake and resistance exercise.

    I lose almost no muscle on T3 thanks to the ketogenic diet. When the T3 increases the action of mitochondria, it does not alter what it uses for energy. Hence, when your body is using fatty acids or ketones, T3 causes more of it to be used.

    100% of every gram of carb you eat causes insulin to be produced. Insulin can cause up to a 50% reduction in lipolysis. Clen also increases resistance to insulin = bad

    Hence, my recommendation to you for the best results:

    Get on a ketogenic diet (recommend Lyle McDonald's book), i.e, no carbs
    Eat 1.5 to 2 lbs of protein per LBM
    Don't cut too many calories.
    Keep cardio to a minimal amount. Steady state Cardio = catabolic on a deficit

    Edit: Forgot to mention: low carb diet = low insulin = more Growth Hormone = Higher nitrogen retention = less muscle loss
    Last edited by MuttonChop; 04-28-2011 at 03:49 PM.

  9. #9
    jtuner77 is offline Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    777
    How can you state that steady state cardio is instantly catabolic on a deficit. That is way too broad of a statement to make when so many other things come into play creating in a catabolic situation.

  10. #10
    MuttonChop's Avatar
    MuttonChop is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    346
    Quote Originally Posted by jtuner77 View Post
    How can you state that steady state cardio is instantly catabolic on a deficit. That is way too broad of a statement to make when so many other things come into play creating in a catabolic situation.
    I will find you the study if you are interested. In a calorie deficit, cardio can at most retain nitrogen balance. It definitely won't be anabolic .

    Do you know why carbs need to be eaten after resistance training? Protein increases protein synthesis and carbs reduce protein breakdown. If no carbs are eaten, protein synthesis will equal protein breakdown and there won't be substantial hypertrophy. On a ketogenic diet, lack of carbs will make cardio even more catabolic than normal.

  11. #11
    Granovich's Avatar
    Granovich is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    USA-New Jersey
    Posts
    1,461
    ok MuttonChop just plz explain it more to me
    alot of protein that can be done...cut carbs to minimum ok ....how much cardio daily ? i do 30 min daily is it enough?
    and should i use both clen and t3 ...i got them both and i got the supplement Taurine and liver protection
    should i use both clen and t3 or just clen ????
    can you plz write me the dosage cause "jtuner" wrote it and i think its too much and long. i mean 160mcg of clen thats alot
    plz help me with this...i also have the tren 13 ethyl the pro hormone i've been told it helps

  12. #12
    MuttonChop's Avatar
    MuttonChop is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    346
    First of all, don't mess around with the PH right now.

    Second of all, jtuner did a very good job with the dosages. He should have added that you should stop at the dosage that you cannot tolerate and subtract 20mcg from that.

    The Ketogenic diet is something that is somewhat complicated. I recommend that you read up on it.

    Yes, clen + T3 is a good combo. Just don't expect miracles. I would say that its very useful at two points during your diet: 20%+ bf where protein loss will be EVEN more minimal and/or dieting to under 10% bf to assist in busting plateaus.

    You cannot know your BMR under T3 med, so, calorie counting becomes a problem. The biggest danger is eating too few calories. That is why, I would suggest that you keep cardio to maybe 2x times/week at first. See how much fat you lose. Then, add more calories via protein, and add a bit more cardio if you need and see if it improves results.

    I will be honest with you...by the way you write your posts, you don't seem to be at a point where you should be messing with these chems. Please do more research on your own. You should be a point where you use the advice that I and my fellow posters give you as something to confirm what you already know.

  13. #13
    Granovich's Avatar
    Granovich is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    USA-New Jersey
    Posts
    1,461
    to be honest i know alot about steroids because i've been researching for a while now. but not alot about clen and t3
    its been only 2 weeks since i started looking for information about it.
    i have 15% and i was hopping it would go down to 9-10% with this cycle...
    im researching this diet now.and i will follow your advice of having alot of calories and 1.5 mg of protein/ lb and do cardio twice and see if i start to lose good amount of fat if not i will increase protein and increase cardio
    what about the t3 cycle is it for 6 weeks straight or do 3 weeks then off for 3 and return for another 3 weeks?
    and do you recommend the using of prohormone during the cycle ?

  14. #14
    Granovich's Avatar
    Granovich is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    USA-New Jersey
    Posts
    1,461
    what do you think of this one



    Day 1 Clenbuterol 40mcg / T3 off
    Day 2 Clenbuterol 40mcg / T3 off
    Day 3 Clenbuterol 40mcg / T3 25mcg
    Day 4 Clenbuterol 60mcg / T3 25mcg
    Day 5 Clenbuterol 60mcg / T3 25mcg
    Day 6 Clenbuterol 60mcg / T3 25mcg
    Day 7 Clenbuterol 80mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day 8 Clenbuterol 80mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day 9 Clenbuterol 80mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day10 Clenbuterol 100mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day11 Clenbuterol 100mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day12 Clenbuterol 100mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day13 Clenbuterol 120mcg/ T3 75mcg
    Day14 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day15 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day16 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day17 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day18 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day19 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day20 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day21 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day22 Clenbuterol OFF T3 50mcg
    Day23 Clenbuterol OFF T3 50mcg
    Day24 Clenbuterol OFF T3 50mcg
    Day25 Clenbuterol OFF T3 25mcg
    Day26 Clenbuterol OFF T3 25mcg
    Day27 Clenbuterol OFF T3 25mcg
    Day28 Clenbuterol OFF T3 25mcg

  15. #15
    Granovich's Avatar
    Granovich is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    USA-New Jersey
    Posts
    1,461
    maybe go up to 75mcg in T3 instead of 100

  16. #16
    MuttonChop's Avatar
    MuttonChop is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    346
    Def. don't go to a hundred. I would even recommend just hitting 50 mcg every day without tapering up or down for your first experience. T3 can make you feel dead tired and weak.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    527
    yea both clen and t3 are strong, first time user be careful, don't be a hero, only use what you can handle. I like to stay around 100 mcgs at most.

  18. #18
    athletic.guy is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    252
    Quote Originally Posted by Granovich View Post
    what do you think of this one



    Day 1 Clenbuterol 40mcg / T3 off
    Day 2 Clenbuterol 40mcg / T3 off
    Day 3 Clenbuterol 40mcg / T3 25mcg
    Day 4 Clenbuterol 60mcg / T3 25mcg
    Day 5 Clenbuterol 60mcg / T3 25mcg
    Day 6 Clenbuterol 60mcg / T3 25mcg
    Day 7 Clenbuterol 80mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day 8 Clenbuterol 80mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day 9 Clenbuterol 80mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day10 Clenbuterol 100mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day11 Clenbuterol 100mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day12 Clenbuterol 100mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day13 Clenbuterol 120mcg/ T3 75mcg
    Day14 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day15 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day16 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day17 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day18 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day19 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day20 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day21 Clenbuterol 120mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day22 Clenbuterol OFF T3 50mcg
    Day23 Clenbuterol OFF T3 50mcg
    Day24 Clenbuterol OFF T3 50mcg
    Day25 Clenbuterol OFF T3 25mcg
    Day26 Clenbuterol OFF T3 25mcg
    Day27 Clenbuterol OFF T3 25mcg
    Day28 Clenbuterol OFF T3 25mcg


    So how long would recovery take before running this cycle again? I know it comes down to blood work but on average would 2-4 weeks be enough???

    I would prob do 3 weeks max,

    Week 1 clen 60 mcg. T3 50 mcg
    Week 2 clen 80-100 mcg. T3 75 mcg
    Week 3 clen 120-160 mcg. T3 25-50 mcg
    Last edited by athletic.guy; 10-08-2013 at 04:05 AM.

  19. #19
    austinite's Avatar
    austinite is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Cialis, Texas
    Posts
    31,154
    ^ Really old thread brother.

    To answer your question, Probably a day or 2 .
    ~ PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR SOURCE CHECKS ~

    "It's human nature in a 'more is better' society full of a younger generation that expects instant gratification, then complain when they don't get it. The problem will get far worse before it gets better". ~ kelkel

  20. #20
    athletic.guy is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    252
    Why start a new thread for an old topic? I alwsys use the search function first.

    Serious? Just a couple days for the thyroid to recover?

    Last time I used t3 while on tren just 25mcg per day for a couple months. I might try the pyramid system this time...

    But most guys swear by 50 mcg per day for the duration of a cycle.

    What to do what to do ??????
    Last edited by athletic.guy; 10-08-2013 at 09:07 AM.

  21. #21
    Docd187123 is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    2,220
    Quote Originally Posted by athletic.guy View Post
    Why start a new thread for an old topic? I alwsys use the search function first.

    Serious? Just a couple days for the thyroid to recover?

    Last time I used t3 while on tren just 25mcg per day for a couple months. I might try the pyramid system this time...

    But most guys swear by 50 mcg per day for the duration of a cycle.

    What to do what to do ??????
    The thyroid is a resilient gland. It can come back online quickly. I would do more than 25mcg a day though since that's more of a replacement dose than anything.

  22. #22
    athletic.guy is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    252
    So most people do 50-75 mcg for 3 months these days then pyramid??

  23. #23
    Docd187123 is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    2,220
    Quote Originally Posted by athletic.guy View Post
    So most people do 50-75 mcg for 3 months these days then pyramid??
    I know those who have ran 100-150mcg for the duration of a cycle. I personally did 80mcg for a few weeks and next cycle plan on using it again but at 100-125mcg.

  24. #24
    athletic.guy is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    252
    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    I know those who have ran 100-150mcg for the duration of a cycle. I personally did 80mcg for a few weeks and next cycle plan on using it again but at 100-125mcg.
    Holy shit, i might try 75 mcg Ed for a couple months.

    So the long term steady dose over pyramid system these days huh???

  25. #25
    Docd187123 is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    2,220
    Quote Originally Posted by athletic.guy View Post
    Holy shit, i might try 75 mcg Ed for a couple months.

    So the long term steady dose over pyramid system these days huh???
    What benefit would a pyramid system have besides helping you asses tolerance in the beginning and monitoring body temp changes? Once you've got your dose dialed in there's no need to pyramid up in dosage.

  26. #26
    athletic.guy is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    252
    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    What benefit would a pyramid system have besides helping you asses tolerance in the beginning and monitoring body temp changes? Once you've got your dose dialed in there's no need to pyramid up in dosage.
    Apart from weight loss what sings should I look out for when dosing?

  27. #27
    athletic.guy is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    252
    How slow does the BF come off? Is 2% per week asking too much,

    I'm 220 lbs, 34, 6"1 on 100ug day, Austinites cut stack, L carnitine injections 900mg week, and caff.

    My diet ( which is hurting ) consists

    10 eggs (4 yolks) coffee

    150 gr Can of tuna on olive oil with hand full of almonds

    Chicken beast (300gm) with broccoli

    Pre workouts caff, creatine, bcaa

    PWO genR8 1 scoop and 1 scoop optimum nutrition platinum hydro builder (awesome!!)

    90 min later 400 gr chicken with lil BBQ sauce, 1 massive sweet potato

    Late snack
    150gr can of tuna in olive oil
    low fat sugar free yogurt

    Casein with ZMA
    Last edited by athletic.guy; 10-21-2013 at 06:14 PM.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •