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    First timer

    I'm 6'3 about 255. I played college football and have gotten outta playing shape over the last few years. I'm in my 4th week of training and I must say that I've done quite well to get back to a decent level.

    I follow a good diet and have no problem getting in the garage and sweating it out and working hard (comes from years of football workouts) so I feel I have already a jumpstart on most. I have done some research on the benefits of an HGH cycle(100mg green top) and Test250 and have both.

    Any recommendations on dosage? Or when I should take it? Anything I should look out for during my first cycle? And what can I expect after the first cycle(I understand that miracles don't happen overnight)??

    Thanks! I appreciate the help in advance.

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    Protein as much as you can handle....and the AAS listed below are an easy choice
    Keep your first cycle SIMPLE
    You will get amazing gains from a simple cycle if it is your first. Progressively you may need to create bigger and more complex stacks to get near the same results as your first cycle.

    IMO...Of course...
    My first cycle was the following:

    D-Bol
    Test E

    Didn't need PCT until my 4th cycle ( I know this will anger some, but everyone is different).

    If you're interested in my dosages, you can message me.

    I'm sure everyone will agree..... KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!!

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    ^^^ Lets keep this in open forum, i get suspicious when people say message me, we can all learn from each other.

    Op how old are you??

    Yes keep it simple for a first cycle, test e/c @ 300/500mgs ew would be a great starting point and believe me when i say this, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF ANY CYCLE IS YOUR PCT..........
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    I'm 29 years old.

    PCT? (I'm a rookie)

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    Pct= Post cycle therapy ..

    When injecting a synthetic testosterone into your body your own bodies natural production will stop, it does this because it recognises theres now way to much testosterone floating around there. Once your cycle finishes you now have no synthetic or natural test so we ran a pct to reboot our bodies natural test production.....

    That is as simple as i can put it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by batfink0 View Post
    Protein as much as you can handle....and the AAS listed below are an easy choice
    Keep your first cycle SIMPLE
    You will get amazing gains from a simple cycle if it is your first. Progressively you may need to create bigger and more complex stacks to get near the same results as your first cycle.

    IMO...Of course...
    My first cycle was the following:

    D-Bol
    Test E

    Didn't need PCT until my 4th cycle ( I know this will anger some, but everyone is different).

    If you're interested in my dosages, you can message me.

    I'm sure everyone will agree..... KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!!
    dont advise without asking age

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    well he is obviusly in his mid-twenties since he played college ball and now he is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK View Post
    well he is obviusly in his mid-twenties since he played college ball and now he is done.
    Who asked for your opinion, or are you just trying to get your post count up....
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    i dont care if he asked or not-the guys is giving him a hard time and obviously the guy is old enough-whats your problem? i mean if you dont want me here i can leave on my own............................................... ........................................no need for a ban. jerk. i mean he yelled at a guy for giving advice-you did the exact same thing ( gave advice without knowing age), so where is your hand slapping?????
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    first time cycle is the best

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    First or all if you check the op's profile page you will see that i visited it, so although i asked his age out of habit i did infact check it.........

    Please tell me how you know he "yelled"?? Lmao....
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    ok ok well maybe he didnt put in caps, but still...........it was obvious to me the guy was old enough. I guess im the only one. i made a remark about getting my post count up in another thread, but i was just joking. Im posting alot cause i found this new forum, forums get old and stale sometimes and its fun finding a new one with things to talk about.

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    PS I would love to check profiles and read old posts, but my count isnt high enough yet

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    Your post count is high enough, can send you pm's??
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    i dont know just been posting i will try now. havent checked in about 40 post's

    EDIT: just tried to access your page, says i do not have permission. when i click on name it doesnt give me option to send PM's

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    You have 85 post and you just joined yesterday? Daaaammn! Your on fire!

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    you mention a post cycle well being a newbie also when and what do you take..ohh yeah im 45 and i played football to..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK View Post
    PS I would love to check profiles and read old posts, but my count isnt high enough yet
    carry on with that attitude and you prob wont have to worry too much about post counts. before you start shouting and spouting just sit back and see how the forum operates. and oh, not all of us are american and dont know what age ppl are just because of an american college sporting background, college sporting back grounds where im from range 16-27

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    please bro-ive been around boards alot longer than you-i know plenty well how they operate-i dont have to say but you know what you can do with your threats

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK View Post
    please bro-ive been around boards alot longer than you-i know plenty well how they operate-i dont have to say but you know what you can do with your threats
    haha, guess who isnt lasting long here. been around boards alot longer? you get the internet earlier than the rest of us?
    if you're referring to AAS forums well sorry, it doesnt show and your advice blows big time.

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    hahaha my advice-thats funny i havent really seen you give any advice, you corrected me once, simply because i have never mixed oil and water in the same syringe, and wasnt think about lava lamp effect and water being more dense than oil. please, show me what advice I have given that sux i would love to take you to school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batfink0 View Post
    Protein as much as you can handle....and the AAS listed below are an easy choice
    Keep your first cycle SIMPLE
    You will get amazing gains from a simple cycle if it is your first. Progressively you may need to create bigger and more complex stacks to get near the same results as your first cycle.

    IMO...Of course...
    My first cycle was the following:

    D-Bol
    Test E

    Didn't need PCT until my 4th cycle ( I know this will anger some, but everyone is different).

    If you're interested in my dosages, you can message me.

    I'm sure everyone will agree..... KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!!
    Idk if you are implying that he should "wait and see" if he needs PCT but to the OP, PCT is critical and as Matt said arguably the most important aspect of any cycle. A standard PCT would look like:

    Nolva 40 / 40 / 20 / 20 (In mg) for 4 weeks PLUS
    Clomid 100 / 100 (or 50) / 50 / 50 during the same 4 WEEKS

    PCT is ran 18 days after last injection I believe (correct me if I'm wrong someone).

    Also, to the OP, what bodyfat percentage do you have at 255 pounds ? In addition, Testosterone should always be your only compound in a first cycle. This is primarily because when you stack compounds and develop side effects, you won't know which drug is causing you problems. Finally, I would post your diet in the diet section of this forum. If it's good to go (may need one or two minor tweaks, but nothing is perfect), then look into the possibility of taking steroids . A standard first dose of Testosterone is between 300-500 mg a week.

    As well, HGH is extremely expensive and more advanced in relation to other drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK View Post
    hahaha my advice-thats funny i havent really seen you give any advice, you corrected me once, simply because i have never mixed oil and water in the same syringe, and wasnt think about lava lamp effect and water being more dense than oil. please, show me what advice I have given that sux i would love to take you to school.
    Don't cross dec, and no reason to flame !

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    Money isn't really an issue. i have both the test and hgh. I'm just not into jumping into something until I figure out the best/safest way to use it.

    My body fat is around 15-20%. Again, I'm just starting to get back into things. As far as my diet, I will take you up on that. I must say that I'm actually very good at keeping a strict diet. But I'm by no means perfect. Any advice from you guys is welcome.

    I must say that I'm more concerned with triming body fat. Is test good to start with? I was given some advice by a buddy of mine that said that Test should always be your first cycle...is that true?

    Again, thanks guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Don't cross dec, and no reason to flame !
    #1 i didnt flame him

    #2 he called me out and responded, whats the big deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpat183 View Post
    Money isn't really an issue. i have both the test and hgh. I'm just not into jumping into something until I figure out the best/safest way to use it.

    My body fat is around 15-20%. Again, I'm just starting to get back into things. As far as my diet, I will take you up on that. I must say that I'm actually very good at keeping a strict diet. But I'm by no means perfect. Any advice from you guys is welcome.

    I must say that I'm more concerned with triming body fat. Is test good to start with? I was given some advice by a buddy of mine that said that Test should always be your first cycle...is that true?

    Again, thanks guys.
    So you spent Multiple thousands of dollars on HGH and there is no reason to use that compound, especially at your age. FYI, HGH is not a 14 week cycle like Testosterone .

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    Ok, so HGH is not necessary. I will not use it. Please don't be concerned with the amount of money I spend. Let's just say I have some very good friends and don't spend the "thousands" that i'm sure many others do.

    What is your recommendation as far as a first time test cycle? Any limitations as to taking other supplements (such as creatine...etc) with it?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpat183 View Post
    Ok, so HGH is not necessary. I will not use it. Please don't be concerned with the amount of money I spend. Let's just say I have some very good friends and don't spend the "thousands" that i'm sure many others do.

    What is your recommendation as far as a first time test cycle? Any limitations as to taking other supplements (such as creatine...etc) with it?

    Thanks
    HGH is done for a minimum of 6 MONTHS, that is why it's expensive. So if you have a friend who randomly gave you that much HGH then it's probably fake chinese crap. Regardless, I'm indifferent whether your filthy rich or dirt poor. There are about 5 different threads between this sub-forum, the "Educational Threads", and PCT stickies on how to properly run a beginner cycle considering of strictly Testosterone . Not going to spoon feed you, should be very apparent on what to do once you've researched a bit. There isn't anything awfully complicated either, so you should makeout just fine. In addition, I'd highly recommend ensuring your diet and blood work are both good to go before touching a syringe.

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    #1 i didnt flame him

    #2 he called me out and responded, whats the big deal?
    Jesus Christ... 157 posts in 3 days? I don't know how you find time to work, sleep and go to the gym when you're posting that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    Jesus Christ... 157 posts in 3 days? I don't know how you find time to work, sleep and go to the gym when you're posting that much.

    ahaha that is ****en hilarious,

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    I can assure you that it's not fake chinese crap. And I would never take something "randomly given to me"...that's just being stupid. I'm 29 years old and college educated. I know better than that.

    I will be sure to visit those threads and educate myself. I appreciate your time. Thanks for your advice.

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    Don't you get banned for posting that much so quickly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK View Post
    I work on the computer, at home..............and i work in the field.
    haha, we all now know the score on that one you shameful joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpat183 View Post
    I can assure you that it's not fake chinese crap. And I would never take something "randomly given to me"...that's just being stupid. I'm 29 years old and college educated. I know better than that.

    I will be sure to visit those threads and educate myself. I appreciate your time. Thanks for your advice.
    I would think the HGH would be unnecessary.. most don't take it till their late 30's. Obviously a lot of pro's do it in their younger years.. and there is little if any evidence that it is bad for you.. so if you have loads of money and don't mind blowing it on HGH when you are already producing a bunch then the magic number seems to be around 6iu a day (some say 4, but you are already pretty big and 6 seems to give you the best cost/results ratio) .. taken in the morning since your body naturally releases a bunch of HGH in your sleep anyways..

    as for the test.. i recommend just doing one ml monday and one ml thursday of the test250.. giving you 500mg per week.. do this for ten weeks.. then wait 2 weeks and start PCT

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACHINE5150 View Post
    I would think the HGH would be unnecessary.. most don't take it till their late 30's.
    this exactly why I decided to try the GHRH/GHRP-6 combo first, I may still have some natty GH working well at my age, then I will try the good stuff when i get sick of the peps and want to see more, besides it saved me some cash...................

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