Oral Steroids

**LebanonDon** · 05-07-2011, 12:11 PM

with dbol i feel like i make great gains in the beginning but then my body builds up a tolerance to them and if i dont take 6 months off then i wont make any gains. i just finished a 6 week dbol cycle and now im coming off them im wondering if i take winny to shred me will i have a tolerance to them too or can i take it right after and they will work fine. -all oral steroids at 30mg a day.

**SlimmerMe** · 05-07-2011, 12:14 PM

Welcome!

stats please
age
height
weight
BF
goals
training.........THANKS!

**warren916** · 05-07-2011, 12:36 PM

Dont add winny, that will do nothing but further hurt your recovery.

Dbol shuts your down, so when you come off, you have no more test.

Dbol is hardly strong enough to make up for your loss of test on cycle too, oral only is horrible.

**dec11** · 05-07-2011, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by warren916

Dont add winny, that will do nothing but further hurt your recovery.

Dbol shuts your down, so when you come off, you have no more test.

Dbol is hardly strong enough to make up for your loss of test on cycle too, oral only is horrible.

age and stats 1st mate

**Bonaparte** · 05-07-2011, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by warren916

Dont add winny, that will do nothing but further hurt your recovery.

Dbol shuts your down, so when you come off, you have no more test.

Dbol is hardly strong enough to make up for your loss of test on cycle too, oral only is horrible.

Wrong on both counts.

**LebanonDon** · 05-07-2011, 11:19 PM

20 years old, 150 punds, body fat 8 or less, goals 170 punds completely shredded. oral cycle only is not a waste of time cause first time gained and kept 10 pounds. this time gained 11 punds and coming off expecting to keep most of it. i want to take my winny to cut me for summer but i dont know if it will work cause i seem to build up a tolerence to this stuff. im wondering if i switch to win ill get gains cause its a different compound or would i be better off waiting a couple months first?

**Bonaparte** · 05-08-2011, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by LebanonDon

20 years old, 150 punds, body fat 8 or less, goals 170 punds completely shredded. oral cycle only is not a waste of time cause first time gained and kept 10 pounds. this time gained 11 punds and coming off expecting to keep most of it. i want to take my winny to cut me for summer but i dont know if it will work cause i seem to build up a tolerence to this stuff. im wondering if i switch to win ill get gains cause its a different compound or would i be better off waiting a couple months first?

You're too young and too small to be using AAS. Nobody is going to help you here, apart from diet and training.

**Rastapopolous** · 05-08-2011, 12:19 AM

You better be 5' 2" with those weight stats if you're mucking with steroids . Too young too.

**Honkey_Kong** · 05-08-2011, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by LebanonDon

20 years old, 150 punds, body fat 8 or less, goals 170 punds completely shredded. oral cycle only is not a waste of time cause first time gained and kept 10 pounds. this time gained 11 punds and coming off expecting to keep most of it. i want to take my winny to cut me for summer but i dont know if it will work cause i seem to build up a tolerence to this stuff. im wondering if i switch to win ill get gains cause its a different compound or would i be better off waiting a couple months first?

You're too young for steroids and you're 150lbs. What the **** do you expect to cut? You're skin and bones.

**warren916** · 05-08-2011, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Wrong on both counts.

Your an idiot...

So you right, dbol doesnt shut you down, and when you stop taking you have huge amounts of test circulating ....lol

And of course your one to do oral only?

**Bonaparte** · 05-08-2011, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by warren916

Your an idiot...

So you right, dbol doesnt shut you down, and when you stop taking you have huge amounts of test circulating ....lol

And of course your one to do oral only?

It doesn't. Depending upon what study you look at, Dbol will certainly suppress you, but only partially. I've seen one where 100mg/day for 6 weeks only reduced TT and lh by ~40%, and seen another referenced where just 15mg lowered it by ~70%. Either way, that isn't shutdown.

The most suppressive aspect of Dbol is the methylestradiol that it converts to, and this can be easily remedied with an AI.

And cycle doses of Dbol (or any oral) will create FAR more anabolism than your natural test levels, so you certainly make gains, even without test. When marketed for androgen replacement in the 1950s, it was claimed by the manufacterer that 10mg/day would provide adequate androgen replacement for a man (which is a low estimate when you compare the real-world anabolic effects of Dbol to test).
And I never did say that I am a fan of oral-only cycles. Actually, I don't use orals anymore. The strain on my liver, lipids, and performance (pumps, cramps, etc) just isn't worth the rapid visible gains.

**ucf465** · 05-08-2011, 08:14 PM

dbol will definately shut you down. stop giving out bogus advice to noobie's desperate for a magic pill!!!

**Bonaparte** · 05-08-2011, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by ucf465

dbol will definately shut you down. stop giving out bogus advice to noobie's desperate for a magic pill!!!

There is a difference between suppression and shutdown. I'n not giving advice to anyone at the moment, nor am I encouraging oral-only cycles (because they still cause lethargy, low libido, and a host of other issues). I just don't like people parroting exagerated BS that can easily be disproven by pubmed studies.