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[IRONMAN_84]

OK SORRY FOR THE TITLE, BUT IM TRYING TO PEICE TOGETHER MY SECOND CYCLE, AND PLAN ON ANOTHER BULKING CYCLE, I AM 26 YEARS OLD, IM ABOUT HALFWAY THRU MY 1ST CYCLE OF TEST ONLY, IVE EXPLAINED WHY IM ORDERING MY SECOND CYCLE NOW BECAUSE I WANNA BRING IN HCG WITH MY CURRENT CYCLE AND I HAVE AN ORDER MINIMUN, ANYWAY IF I WANTED TO CONTINUE TO PUT ON SOME SIZE, SHOULD I STICK WITH TEST E OR SHOULD I TRY TEST PROP OR SUSTANON , IF I RAN TEST E IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS
TEST E WEEKS 1-12 500 MG WEEK
ARMIDEX .5MG ED

PCT
NOLVA WEEK 14-18 40/30/20/20
CLOMID WEEK 13 DAY 1 300MG, DAYS 2-12 100MG, DAYS 13-23 50 MGS

WHAT SHOULD I STACK WITH THIS, TREN , Tbol and WAS CONSIDERING WINNY.
I HEARD THE TBOL IS LIKE DBOL BUT LESS WATER RETENTION,
ANY THOUGHTS?

[warren916]

First, drop the CAPS..please

If you order your cycle now, your gonna end up doing it before you should...trust me happens all the time. There are plenty of places to order HCG .

Have you considered deca , or eq?? Or simply dosing your test a little higher? Not a fan of sus..

[lemonada9]

Ditto about caps lol

If u order ur cycle, you will want to start it prematurely. Now if you can have self control and hold on to it, and use HCG would be a smart idea.

Personally I'd go with test prop. i love ED shots along with more benefits of prop. If you went with prop for ur next cycle, i bet you would like it (after the pinning issues).
Do you absolutely need the armidex? I find keeping it simple works best and only use ancillaries if needed.
If you want bulk, look to stack for a 2nd cycle, or even just keepin it test only would be good. Dont use tren . I would stack with something else, if u lookin to bulk then deca . then again, nothing is better than plain ole test.

Also, the clomid 23 pct thing, im not a fan of. When i tried that, i had horrible sides after that first dose of PCT. They went away after about a week, but i went from no sides on cycle, to super cankles and lookin like i need diabetic shoes lol.
usually clomid is done 100/100/50/50.

oh how do u plan to run the HCG?

[IRONMAN_84]

First, drop the CAPS..please

If you order your cycle now, your gonna end up doing it before you should...trust me happens all the time. There are plenty of places to order HCG .

Have you considered deca, or eq?? Or simply dosing your test a little higher? Not a fan of sus..

ok so im gonna sound like a super newb here but i strongly considered deca because ive heard it was a great compound but i was in fear of the infamous deca dick, does this only occur when people run deca alone and not with test? plus would u suggest doing test/deca or test only again but upping it to monday 1 1/2 ML thurs 1 1/2 ML which would be 650mg a week.

[IRONMAN_84]

Ditto about caps lol

If u order ur cycle, you will want to start it prematurely. Now if you can have self control and hold on to it, and use HCG would be a smart idea.

Personally I'd go with test prop. i love ED shots along with more benefits of prop. If you went with prop for ur next cycle, i bet you would like it (after the pinning issues).
Do you absolutely need the armidex? I find keeping it simple works best and only use ancillaries if needed.
If you want bulk, look to stack for a 2nd cycle, or even just keepin it test only would be good. Dont use tren . I would stack with something else, if u lookin to bulk then deca . then again, nothing is better than plain ole test.

Also, the clomid 23 pct thing, im not a fan of. When i tried that, i had horrible sides after that first dose of PCT. They went away after about a week, but i went from no sides on cycle, to super cankles and lookin like i need diabetic shoes lol.
usually clomid is done 100/100/50/50.

oh how do u plan to run the HCG?

ok so i have a friend who used to be one of the top amatuers in the world, and i had mentioned i began a test only cycle 500mg a week from 1-12 and was gonna run weeks 14-18 nolva 40/30/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50 and he said that i need hcg, and i explained to him that it was suggested that i may not need it at a single compound cycle at such a mid to low dose and he said i should run it anyway to be safe and that he would get it for me and explain to me dosages etc. cause ive tried to understand it thru the forum but couldnt reallly understand the dosages. i think it would be easier to understand it if it was in front of me and i could see it lol

[IRONMAN_84]

BUMP please help guys

[lemonada9]

Yes you need HCG during ur cycle up untill the first week of PCT. This keeps intratesticular test volume up (basically keepin gas in the engine while being towed, so when u stop its easier to get goin on ur own)

Typically what is used is 250-500iu 2x week, or 1000iu 1x week.

I would argue that you wouldnt need the clomid with HCG on cycle and a nolva pct for a test only cycle. but thats all ur choice.

[_CrossroadS_]

Shouldn't you see what the results of your current cycle will be before planning the second? I mean, I understand getting an idea together and purchasing some things in advance. But not knowing the results of an experiment and then manipulating variables seems counterproductive if you ask me. I'd wait. What are your stats?

[IRONMAN_84]

26, bf% 10 just measured yesterday and im on week 4, weight is 174, im 5'4, i started the cycle at around 163,.....................also the source i have which im not gonna mention says it will be 5,000 iu per vial, is that enough for a cycle?

[IRONMAN_84]

bump

[Windex]

26, bf% 10 just measured yesterday and im on week 4, weight is 174, im 5'4, i started the cycle at around 163,.....................also the source i have which im not gonna mention says it will be 5,000 iu per vial, is that enough for a cycle?

How did you measure your bodyfat?

[Bonaparte]

First, drop the CAPS..please
If you order your cycle now, your gonna end up doing it before you should...trust me happens all the time. There are plenty of places to order HCG .

Have you considered deca, or eq?? Or simply dosing your test a little higher? Not a fan of sus..

This is the first thing that I agree with you on. lol

[IRONMAN_84]

trainer at the gym measured it for me with the caliper or whatever its called, and i didnt the device that you hold but that one read me as an 8 percent so i just went with the 10 from the trainer., and i always have the caps on because i turn it on to put in my user info to log in.

[IRONMAN_84]

guys please help, also please give me your input on the hcg , is the 5,000 iu enough for a cycle, how should i dose it......thanks

[warren916]

All the information you are looking for can be found all over the forums.

[IRONMAN_84]

warren i have alot of respect for you, trust me i do, and this is with all due respect, but wouldnt have been just as easy to say, yes and just say 250 iu 2x a week....... im not sure if that is right but as an example......

[ucf465]

ok so im gonna sound like a super newb here but i strongly considered deca because ive heard it was a great compound but i was in fear of the infamous deca dick, does this only occur when people run deca alone and not with test? plus would u suggest doing test/deca or test only again but upping it to monday 1 1/2 ML thurs 1 1/2 ML which would be 650mg a week.

my buddy ran sust along with his deca (350mgs/w sust and 300mgs/w deca) and he got deca dick that he didnt recover from (no libido) till about 3 weeks post pct.

he also stopped deca 2 weeks prior to sust.

not saying this will happen to everybody but i can happen even with test

[lovbyts]

Your suggestions above are fine. Running test alone at 650 will be fine but if you get good enough results running at 500 this time no reason to bump up to 650 next time unless you think you need more. More mg does not always = more gains and just because you did 500 this time does not mean you need more next time to get the same results.

For a 2nd cycle kicking it with dbol /tbol would be fine. You can runn winny at the end also. Dont jump into the Deca /Tren yet, wait until #3 or 4. Lots of people stick with Test only because it get them where they want and they know how they will react to it. More compounds means more possibilities of sides.

Yes the HCG is a good idea and not just for cosmetics.

[lemonada9]

warren i have alot of respect for you, trust me i do, and this is with all due respect, but wouldnt have been just as easy to say, yes and just say 250 iu 2x a week....... im not sure if that is right but as an example......

I told u that back in post 7.