Using HCG during TRT

[setian]

I have been on TRT for almost a year now. I have also done a 16 week cycle (test 500mg/wk and 40mg tbol 8 weeks) while on this trt.

I was thinking I should have used HCG just to keep the balls bigger. They haven't shrunk much, just slightly.

But how often would you all recommend I do an HCG cycle? I was thinking twice a year at about a month each time using 500iu/week. How does that sound?

[Userat204]

Personally I would use it at 250iu twice a week all year. A 5000iu vial will last ten weeks then take a week or two off and start the next vial.

[setian]

Wouldn't I need longer break than a couple weeks after a 10 week run on HCG? Does 500iu ever cause any estro issues? I will have arimidex or aromasin just in case.

[Userat204]

You don't have to take a break at all. HRT docs script it for continuous use. That's just how I like to run it. It will most likely cause a rise in estrogen. Some people can use it at that dose with noticing side effects but from what I have seen, it depends on the person. I personally have to use an AI with test at 500mg a week and especially with hcg added because I have gyno. Any time you make a change in TRT/HRT protocol you should have bloodwork to monitor the changes.

Again this is just my opinion so you may want to hold out for some others for more ideas. I see that you only want to run it a couple times a year and I don't know the best plan of action for something like that.

[dec11]

I have been on TRT for almost a year now. I have also done a 16 week cycle (test 500mg/wk and 40mg tbol 8 weeks) while on this trt.

I was thinking I should have used HCG just to keep the balls bigger. They haven't shrunk much, just slightly.

But how often would you all recommend I do an HCG cycle? I was thinking twice a year at about a month each time using 500iu/week. How does that sound?

i dont see the point in wasting money on it, if you're on trt it doesnt matter. only really cosmetic difference but who is gona know?

[gymfu]

i dont see the point in wasting money on it, if you're on trt it doesnt matter. only really cosmetic difference but who is gona know?

yea but its your balls man...................I wouldn't let them shrink up either dude.
I like userat's sugestion, you could run it all the time, but a short break as sugested is not a bad idea either.

[sixoner]

yea but its your balls man..................

that shit made me laugh plenty hard.....

[dec11]

yea but its your balls man...................I wouldn't let them shrink up either dude.
I like userat's sugestion, you could run it all the time, but a short break as sugested is not a bad idea either.

so what? its what hangs infront of them tht matters lol, mine have shrunk a fair bit but doesnt concern me or look abnormal

[gymfu]

so what? its what hangs infront of them tht matters lol, mine have shrunk a fair bit but doesnt concern me or look abnormal

lol....really you don't care.....well to each is own.......

[dec11]

lol....really you don't care.....well to each is own.......

nope, they dont visually look any diff, just feel small if im checking them.

ive never ever had a girl interested in knowing the size of my nuts lol

[gymfu]

nope, they dont visually look any diff, just feel small if im checking them.

ive never ever had a girl interested in knowing the size of my nuts lol

ok well on a serious note......continued use will eventualy shrink them up to nothing

[MACHINE5150]

but doesn't HCG keep your balls producing sperm/test as well?? i guess what my question would be "is it possible to have kids if you run TRT for years on end??"

[gymfu]

but doesn't HCG keep your balls producing sperm/test as well?? i guess what my question would be "is it possible to have kids if you run TRT for years on end??"

Not sure about sperm but hcg actually raises test levels because it contains the LH, the hormone that tells your testies to produce test. If you want kids better get that done.

[dec11]

Not sure about sperm but hcg actually raises test levels because it contains the LH, the hormone that tells your testies to produce test. If you want kids better get that done.

but if those natty test levels arent there, as in a cruise, how can it?

[Calcium]

I think keeping them full in size would be a great benefit over them bring small.

[gymfu]

but if those natty test levels arent there, as in a cruise, how can it?

True you might be right, I'm not sure. I would think that you would remain fertile but I can't say with any authority.

[sdmlsu1]

Check out allthingsmale.com. Dr. John Crisler a leader in male HRT has a written protocol incorporating HCG in HRT based on tons of real patient lab data. You don't cycle it just run it year round. My Endo prescribes mine with my Test Cyp.

[THE-DET-OAK]

Personally I would use it at 250iu twice a week all year. A 5000iu vial will last ten weeks then take a week or two off and start the next vial.

i agree, as usual

[THE-DET-OAK]

Check out allthingsmale.com. Dr. John Crisler a leader in male HRT has a written protocol incorporating HCG in HRT based on tons of real patient lab data. You don't cycle it just run it year round. My Endo prescribes mine with my Test Cyp.

im not gonna say my opinion on him one way or the other, but some of his protocols have been under scrutiny, by more than 1. his idea of timing your HCG injects is kind of silly, I actually believed in this at one time.

[THE-DET-OAK]

but doesn't HCG keep your balls producing sperm/test as well?? i guess what my question would be "is it possible to have kids if you run TRT for years on end??"

many have had kids while on TRT.

[JohnnyVegas]

I don't have the knowledge many of you have, but my doc said the HCG will keep the testicles producing...not just stop shrinkage. And I know it is given to men (and women) for fertility, meaning it isnt just cosmetic, right?

[THE-DET-OAK]

I hear a ton about HMG too, I think user204 has used it too, anyone else??? It also mimics FSH i believe, which is more responsible for spermatogenesis than LH.

and yes johnnyvegas, you are correct.

[sdmlsu1]

im not gonna say my opinion on him one way or the other, but some of his protocols have been under scrutiny, by more than 1. his idea of timing your HCG injects is kind of silly, I actually believed in this at one time.

I don't stick to his protocol exactly but he is a leader in the field. I run 250iu 2x/wk yr round, works for me.

[marcus300]

Hcg will maintain testicular size and function, it will mimic LH which will result in stimulation of the testes which in turn will result in minimal increases of sperm and significant increases in testicular testosterone production. Your hpta will still be shut down though.

[xeroxy]

^^^^ Thank god for a decent answer.
Dec11 7000+ posts, been here 2 years + and you don't understand the basics of hCG.
Apart from what Marcus has said what it about it's other benefits (CYP450 dynamics).
hCG increases the dynamics of CYP450 which in turn increases the rate at which drugs can be metabolized,
which in turn increases protein dynamics.
Basically by the action of hCG on P450 dynamics it also increases pregnenolone which
is the precursor for all other steroid hormones and has many benefits,
one of which is that it serves to keep/restore a natural hormonal balance within this key pathway even if the HPTA is suppressed,
it also has energizing, anti-stress benefits, elevates mood through the raising of NDMA activity and reduces excess cortisol.

[lovbyts]

Good info on HCG
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...dated-08-12-09)

[THE-DET-OAK]

^^^^ Thank god for a decent answer.
Dec11 7000+ posts, been here 2 years + and you don't understand the basics of hCG.
Apart from what Marcus has said what it about it's other benefits (CYP450 dynamics).
hCG increases the dynamics of CYP450 which in turn increases the rate at which drugs can be metabolized,
which in turn increases protein dynamics.
Basically by the action of hCG on P450 dynamics it also increases pregnenolone which
is the precursor for all other steroid hormones and has many benefits,
one of which is that it serves to keep/restore a natural hormonal balance within this key pathway even if the HPTA is suppressed,
it also has energizing, anti-stress benefits, elevates mood through the raising of NDMA activity and reduces excess cortisol.

^^^^ this is an excellent post.