shot times

[Keanu Reeves]

so I took my first shot last monday at 3:30 tomorrow is my second shot but I will be working at that time. would taking it earlier in the morning be fine... anywhere from 9am-12? does different timing even make a difference? :P

[sixoner]

what are you running bud???? it makes a difference you know nobody here is telepathic...well maybe marcus LOL

[Dr Pepper]

Stats and current cycle?

[Keanu Reeves]

25
190lbs
6'3
really low bf haven't been tested though so I don't know

test cyp 1ml EW

pct:Nolvadex 20/20/20/20/20

[Dr Pepper]

Whats the test C dosed at? Eg. 200mg/ml...

How long do u plan on running this cycle?

What's your cycle history?

Could be a bit light at 6'3" and 190 for a cycle. How long have u been dieting/training for?

You might not have the dosages correct either...

[Dr Pepper]

Whats the test C dosed at? Eg. 200mg/ml...

How long do u plan on running this cycle?

What's your cycle history?

Could be a bit light at 6'3" and 190 for a cycle. How long have u been dieting/training for?

You might not have the dosages correct either...

[dec11]

wont matter

[Keanu Reeves]

250mg 10 week cycle....
back to the question at hand?

[big_ron]

Every 3.5 days, work it out. a few hours wont make or break your cycle haha not that i believe you are ready any how

[DGK]

i know im new but isnt 250mg a week pretty light?

[Bonaparte]

It really doesn't matter. You could pin once a week and maybe just see a bit more bloat and acne.

[Keanu Reeves]

I have shown my dosage on here before and was told 1ml e/w was good....

[DGK]

idk i was told 500mg a week was a good first cycle dose..

[Keanu Reeves]

so what your saying is I should be taking 2mls every weeks? seems like alot to be putting in your muscle

[m3rk11]

DGK DOESNT know what hes talking bout man. just stay as planned

[thatasnguy]

what i been told and done by my godbro it dont matter where you take it in or even what time just as long your piston keeps firing and not miss fire as long its on that day. 500mg a week is a waste and so much.
but i am new to this forum lol
just what i knw from exp and i think your just wasting it imo.

[DGK]

i never told him to change his dose .Did i? I said from what i was told it was low, i actually asked a question about it bc i received info saying that 500mg test was a good first cycle. And at no point did i profess to "know" what i was talking abou twhich is why i asked and stated "i know im new but.."

[m3rk11]

alright didnt mean to offend you, DGK. im guessing ur from cali? dirty ghetto kids?? and 500 is way too much for first cycle

[thatasnguy]

your liver will hurt lol !!! dont be me -.-

[m3rk11]

what i been told and done by my godbro it dont matter where you take it in or even what time just as long your piston keeps firing and not miss fire as long its on that day. 500mg a week is a waste and so much.
but i am new to this forum lol
just what i knw from exp and i think your just wasting it imo.

there you go! ^^

[Keanu Reeves]

so just im just gunna stick to my 1ml every monday.

[m3rk11]

wait ur going 250mg a week? okay i got mixed up. dude that is a little light sorry DGK he was right i wudd go 500mg . is it ur first test cycle?

[Keanu Reeves]

yes its my first cycle I have had 1 shot already last monday 1ml.....

[sdmlsu1]

25
190lbs
6'3
really low bf haven't been tested though so I don't know

test cyp 1ml EW

pct:Nolvadex 20/20/20/20/20

Timing won't be an issue. If you were running Test Suspension, TNE, HGH, Insulin etc. timing would be an issue.

[Keanu Reeves]

should I take a shot now and then ever 4 days from now.... or wait till tomorrow then ever 4 days form then...

[m3rk11]

okay well you might want to go at least 300 mg a week for my buddys first test c cycle he did 350 mg and was impressed with results

[m3rk11]

what a re ur goals

[Keanu Reeves]

damn hey, so should i change to injecting every 4 days... 3/4 ml?

[m3rk11]

yeah thats good its a lil under 400 mg a week right?

[m3rk11]

people usaully run 100 mg or 75 mg a day for first cycle

[Keanu Reeves]

ya thats 375mg a week

[m3rk11]

okay 375 mg should be fine for first cycle! good luck let me know how ur doing and if you need any help

[JohnnyVegas]

It sounds like you should do a lot of reading before continuing. You should have a good understanding of these things before injecting drugs into your body. Not trying to be a buzzkill, just concerned for your welfare.

[Keanu Reeves]

should I take the shot now at 10pm or is that to late wait till tomorrow morning?

[m3rk11]

dont inject at night just wait till tomroow and johnny is right

[cyounger100]

i never told him to change his dose .Did i? I said from what i was told it was low, i actually asked a question about it bc i received info saying that 500mg test was a good first cycle. And at no point did i profess to "know" what i was talking abou twhich is why i asked and stated "i know im new but.."

well 500 is mg is not a good first cycle in my mind you can grow just fine off of 300 mg week i no cause i have done it grow into your dose

[cyounger100]

should I take the shot now at 10pm or is that to late wait till tomorrow morning?

its really not that diffcult it will be fine at 10 you really dont have a clue what your doin do you there is a search button up top should of used it and maybe learned something before cycling at 190lbs 6'3

[m3rk11]

its really not that diffcult it will be fine at 10 you really dont have a clue what your doin do you there is a search button up top should of used it and maybe learned something before cycling at 190lbs 6'3

might as well wait till tomrorow morning

[THE-DET-OAK]

there is alot of debate going on in here on dosages. I am posting this for educational purposes cause its obvious some have not read it. I do agree with most of the post's in here. A small detail about this study that people miss is these guys DID NOT workout.

This was originally ( i think) posted by HEAVYIRON, hell its probably posted here already somewhere.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.full

The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone’s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects.

Given the results of the study and based on years of personal experience I believe the first time user can safely use between 300-600 mg of testosterone enanthate or cypionate per week for 8-12 weeks. Because it is desirable to have even blood androgen levels I advise at least 2 equal injections per week. Testosterone cypionate peaks within 1-2 days after injection and falls off to almost baseline by day 10. Therefore waiting 7 days between injections of cypionate would cause wide fluctuations in blood androgen levels.


If a first time user wanted to use 600 mg of cypionate or enanthate per week he would inject 300 mg on Tuesday and another 300 mg on Saturday each week for 10 weeks. When injecting long heavy esters like cypionate with this frequency I tend to have less acne then 1 injection per week.
There are a number of esters which provide varying release times. Acetate or propionate esters extend the release time of testosterone a couple of days. In contrast, a deconate ester prolongs the release of testosterone about 3 weeks. Testosterone enanthate and cypionate are almost identical esters. The use of an ester allows for a less frequent injection schedule than using a water based testosterone like suspension which has no ester at all and is rapidly in and out of your system after injection. The published release times are not exact and are many times based on a single injection not many multiple injections which can delay the release of the hormone. Other factors affect release times of esters such as scar tissue and the muscle group injected. Only a blood test can confirm when the active hormone has cleared your system.
Esters not only effect release times but also the potency of the Testosterone as esters make up part of the steroid weight. This must be taken into account when calculating dosages. The longer the release time the less free hormone. For example propionate is about 15% more potent mg. for mg. then enanthate so 500mg of propionate would equal about 575 mg. of enanthate.

[DGK]

wait ur going 250mg a week? okay i got mixed up. dude that is a little light sorry DGK he was right i wudd go 500mg . is it ur first test cycle?

no problem bro. i only thought so bc someone was asking if they would get good gains offf trt at 200 mg a week and the answer was no..