Injection Pains

[cfisher]

Having pains in the back of my shoulder and arms. On third cycle; current being tren/test. Always pinned delts no prob, but now these pains? Any ideas?
btw 23g/1

[lovbyts]

Yeah they are typical Back pumps due to the tren. LOL I take it you have not done much research?

What are you stats?
Age
Height
Weight
body fat
years working out 5x a week
cycle experience
PCT experience

[cfisher]

27yrs 5'7 175lbs. very little bf. I'd say maybe 8-9%. Yes I've done much research. I've done 2 cycles before this tren/test. Never short esters though. I did do alot of research before starting this new experience and still doing some reading. I'm used of pumps and this tren is awesome but this is different; its concentrated to this one section behind the site. Not first pin of this stack either. Like 6th. You sound knowledgable; would like some more feedback. btw. I'm a tower tech. I climb on average 600' a day. Awesome huh? That's a f-ing workout on its own but I do hit the gym on weekends. for 1.5yrs. Been climbing for 9yrs

[MBMETC]

Your using tren ace and prop? First go with prop? Is there a lump (oil build up) at the site of pain. I know there is only a little room to play with when pinning delts maybe move a little further towards the front delta and see if it helps.

[cfisher]

yes ace/prop. No lump. I have pinned my delts many times no prob. And its behind my delt on the opposite side of the ject site. Almost like the pin went straight thru my arm. The back of the arm and back of shoulder is where the pain is. It eased up some today but still concerned. Was thinking bout going to shorter pin but like I said always pinned delts with this length and guage with no prob.

[THE-DET-OAK]

pumps, most likely, ive had them so bad they run me out of the gym. usually lower back, but you can get them elsewhere. sometimes tren can give me almost a burning sensation, but it goes away shortly after my injection. its not something that lasts long.

[cfisher]

thanks again det oak. thats what lovbyts said but I've had pumps but it never felt like that. But i guess thats the only answer. the only other thing i could think of was that maybe i was going a little to deep. but again I've been using these pins in delts for the 3rd cycle now with no probs. guess ya'll are right and i should just embrace it for what it is if it happens again. Maybe i do need to use more sites though. thanks again guys

[Linuxian]

I pin my delts with a 23-1 and have never experienced anything like your describing. Perhaps you may have hit a nerve? Also, how do you know you haven't just pulled a muscle? With all that climbing, I'd think those muscles would be under considerable strain.

[psa]

Back pumps and injection pain are on two different sides of the spectrum. Considering you're using short esters such as prop and I'm guessing ace on the tren?, that are known for leaving many users with injections pain, I'd say the culprit is quite clear here...

[lovbyts]

27yrs 5'7 175lbs. very little bf. I'd say maybe 8-9%. Yes I've done much research. I've done 2 cycles before this tren/test. Never short esters though. I did do alot of research before starting this new experience and still doing some reading. I'm used of pumps and this tren is awesome but this is different; its concentrated to this one section behind the site. Not first pin of this stack either. Like 6th. You sound knowledgable; would like some more feedback. btw. I'm a tower tech. I climb on average 600' a day. Awesome huh? That's a f-ing workout on its own but I do hit the gym on weekends. for 1.5yrs. Been climbing for 9yrs

Yes that sounds like a fun job. I would love to do something like that. Heights scare me and that's why it would be fun. I use to climb the big tripod electrical towers as a kid. You may have also just pulled a muscle a little and due to the pumps it's showing up more. Try a little Ice and you should be G2G

Even though is is not the issue remember when pinning inject SLOW. Take a full minute or two to inject. It saves a lot of people pain/discomfort in the lung run. Most people inject FAST and it just blast the oil against the muscle causing a bruise that hurts for a few days.

[cfisher]

thanks lovbyts. Sounds like logical explanation. Could you check out my quick question post under q&a forum. I'm doing research for my next cycle and would really like your input.

[kleaver]

i don't think he meant back pumps- but rather rear delt pain

[kleaver]

yea. injection speed is important in delts, because the muscle belly is smaller than on of the quads you may hit, or one of the glute bodies...
i suggest heating the oil... if done in a sterile way... which will help a steady injection. delts are awkward b'c of the reach across.

hot water trickle works well... sometimes i'll keep the syringe capped, slip it back in the sterile sleeve, wrap it in a heating pad.

either way, because you can't use your thumb to plunge (unless you're super flexible, which is unlikely if you're on gear and have a decent sized chest), which is the steadiest way, you'll want to have a less viscous injection so you can control a slow steady speed

[cfisher]

Yes I always inject SLOWLY. I also evaporate the BA from the tren. etc.........yes it was rear delt and shoulder. It wasnt a nerve or pulled muscle been there had those i know what they feel like. This was different. Its gone now after almost 3 days. But it was something i never felt before. Yes I've had good pumps before too, thats why i didn't think it was that. but considering the variables its the only logical explanation to me. Just beastly burning consentrated pumps. I do appreciate the info though kleaver. You bring up good information hopefully this solves someone else's problem like this. Looking for advice on next cycle can u check my quick question post in q&a?