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    Suggestions for a fighter? Anavar and what else?

    Greetings Everyone...

    I’m a 39YO male in great physical condition. I’m 6.1, 205lbs, 32 waist, prolly around 10-12% body fat currently. I've been in the gym forever now, and my diet I guarantee is pretty good. Furthermore, I've always had a great handle on my weight. I guess that has came from amateur boxing starting at age 9 (till I was 24YOA), and wrestling throughout my late high school days, and I've had lots of success. I got involved with the MMA gig about 10 years ago, but due to now having 4 vertebra fused in my neck, I don't play much at all anymore. I still however push myself to my limits from time to time and help train others to some extent in boxing, BJJ and Judo.

    Recently have found myself slowing down in some aspects (self inflicted I'm sure). I joined this forum about 4 or 5 months ago and have done my fair share of research, and have a few questions in regards to a cycle of Anavar I'll begin in a months.

    I tried Anavar at the end of last year. A very good friend of mine, who used to fight out of the same gym as me, kept telling me for months I needed to try this stuff. I think the only reason I did was he gave me what turned out to be almost a 7 week supply for free. After looking into this stuff, speaking with my doctor, checking my blood work, trusting my friend, and having a future surgery that was going to knock me down for a little bit, I tried the Anavar.

    I was to say the least shocked, after starting 30mgAD the 1st week, and 60mgAD weeks 3 through 5, then ending the last 2 weeks with 70mgAD, I think I had modest gains. For example, my chest flat bench routine went from 5 sets 8 reps of 270lbs, to the same sets and reps but was doing 300lbs at the end of the cycle. After 10 days of starting the cycle of var I noticed it was working, and working well. I'd leave the gym feeling guilty because of feeling drained I felt like I needed to go back and do more. My stamina was incredible (always has been in a way). I also was happy that I didn't get any heavier than 218lbs.

    A week after I finished the cycle I had surgery on my jaw, and had some complications. Basically, I got sick and was unable to eat solids for almost 2 weeks. And to make things worse, my employer decided to put me on the midnight shift which took some time getting used to, and to add insult to injury even more, I didn't do any type of PCT.

    To say the least I'm back where I started from which is not such a bad thing considering if I hadn't done the var I'd surely be weaker and smaller.

    Well here is my question, let’s just say I was going to push myself to my limits again and train for another fight, and I wanted to pack on solid gains of strength and not so much size. I was thinking of taking...

    Test-E 300mg a week (maybe 500mg a week) or… Masteplex 200 instead @ 300mg every 4 days.
    Var 70mg a week

    I would be doing this for an 8 week cycle. Plus, this isn’t set in stone by any means. I have already obtained the var again for a steady 8 week supply, and have heard from this board and many others you should always run some type of test with var. Furthermore, what type of PCT would you suggest? I AM NOT LOOKING FOR SIZE! I know some size will come of this, but looking strictly for hard mucle, strength, and with my diet, no fat!

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    at 38 you might want to get your test levels checked again and see if you can qualify for TRT....

    Also.. if you are going to pay for the anavar.. you might as well just start doing HGH.. they are nearly the same cost when it comes to $ per day.. HGH at your age will be the best option..

    if you are low on funds (like nearly everyone at the moment) then test and anavar would be a fine cycle for you to run

    the test could stay at a low dose of 3-400mg per week for ten weeks and the anavar at maybe 50mg ED the whole ten weeks as well..

    PCT would be nolvadex 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50 <-- that is in mg per day over 4 weeks..

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    My Test levels were checked prior to the var cycle I did. They were at the minimum levels of being in the normal range. I was prescribed AndroGel which I know dosen't hold a pin prick to what I probably would need. Do you suggest the Test-E over the Mastaplex 200? Reason I ask is I have heard that the Mastaplex will help with the Test and have less ester side effects than the test-e.

    And what is HGH? Money is always a factor but not so much of one at the current time, but if it means waiting to start my next cycle I will till I can get what is best. Like I said I'm not at all wanting the size that I'm sure will come with this, but will except it. Here is a current pic of my frame, it's not that I'm opposed to being bigger, I just know I'm a hell of allot harder to deal with at a smaller weight for most.


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    Any other thoughts from anyone? Test-E or Mastaplex? Anything else better?
    Last edited by Live2Fight; 05-09-2011 at 06:33 PM.

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    I ran 500mg of Test E per week for 10wks and 60mg of Var per day for 6wks. I got awesome gains, but tendon issues due to the Test (collagen affected). The only time I suffered from the tendon pain was after heavy grappling sessions. I do not however compete, so the answer for me is to stop training for a while and see if it settles down, go back to my weight training and general phys etc. If I was a competing fighter I would think very carefully about it. It's a tricky one as the compounds which increase collagen synthesis the most tend to stick around in your system the longest (nandrolone and equipoise for example, nandrolone being the one most UFC guys are caught with aka "Deca"). So this can be a issue if the circuits you fight in test for steroid use. If this was the case then I'd recommend trying HgH for the simple fact that it can't be detected in drug tests and it greatly increases collagen synthesis which will protect your tendons.

    Another option is Primobolan. My next cycle will be Test and Primo.

    GL.

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    Thanks guys for the replys. BTW I'm no longer competing in any shape way or form. This is just for personal satisfaction and to fight the age factor. I realy want to see what I'm capable of. I also have decided to do some HgH throughout this cycle. To say the least I'm pretty stoked!

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    One more question, should I run an estrogen blocker of some sort with Test-E and the Anavar? If so what type. I now already have aquired the test, var, nolvadex, and clomid for a 10 week cycle. Any other suggestions?

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    I ran arimidex throughout my cycle. 0.25 - 0.5 EOD depending.
    For me, personally, I will run the adex right from the get go on any future cycles.

    GL.

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    i am in the same boat in a way. i have been researching the hell out of all this, and i have gotten some good advice from people. i am mid-30's and trying to extend the fight career just a few years longer through very similar problems that you seem to battle. i guess what i have decided to do is follow an article another member posted on my other thread. like you, i was given an AS (EQ) by a gym member to see if it could help. i have decided to run a test along with it at a TRT level dose. at this point, however, i have not decided which test to run along side. most advice from the more knowledgable forum members have lead me to cyp, enth, prop, or andropene. any suggestions???? any real difference between these options when taking TRT level doses other than pin frequencies and life in your system?

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    ANOTHER QUESTION.....

    Guys I have another question for ya in regards to my cycle? Starting a cycle this week of...

    10 weeks of 500mg Test-E every week
    10 weeks of 60mg Anavar every day

    Was thinking of putting Primobol Methenolone Enanthate after a couple of weeks. Or maybe at the beginning of the cycle. I would be taking 500mg a week. A friend of mine who knows me pretty well and knows what I'm after suggested the primo with my cycle. I have no experiance with this and was hoping for some help here. Cost is not anything I have to deal with right now. And my source is pretty reptable here and has some if I want it. I was thinking of Masteron 200 but no one here seems to have any. Anyways any help would be greatly appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2Fight View Post
    ANOTHER QUESTION.....

    Guys I have another question for ya in regards to my cycle? Starting a cycle this week of...

    10 weeks of 500mg Test-E every week
    10 weeks of 60mg Anavar every day

    Was thinking of putting Primobol Methenolone Enanthate after a couple of weeks. Or maybe at the beginning of the cycle. I would be taking 500mg a week. A friend of mine who knows me pretty well and knows what I'm after suggested the primo with my cycle. I have no experiance with this and was hoping for some help here. Cost is not anything I have to deal with right now. And my source is pretty reptable here and has some if I want it. I was thinking of Masteron 200 but no one here seems to have any. Anyways any help would be greatly appreciated!
    Var and Test is more than sufficient for a cycle. More compounds doesn't mean better results. Also, Masteron tends to only be optimal with very low (Sub 10%) Bodyfat from what I've researched so far - but any of the more experienced guys can correct me if I'm wrong.

    Here is what I would run if I were in your shoes mate.

    1-12 test e - 500mg per week split into 2 shot of 250mgs per week
    8-14 Var -75mgs ED - run the var up to pct start time
    1-12 HCG - 250ius 2 x weekly
    1-12 Arimidex - 0.25mgs EOD OR Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
    Start PCT 14 days after your last shot of Test E which will be week 14 - use a standard pct protocol :

    Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/20
    Clomid: 100/50/50/50/50

    For Test E and HCG the most common pinning times are Monday morning and Thursday evening (Every 3.5 days basically).
    Last edited by Windex; 05-23-2011 at 10:32 PM.

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