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    NEVERBIGENOUGH is offline Junior Member
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    starting wk 3 prop/tren a cycle

    Alright quick ?
    I am running a 8 week test prop 100mg ed/tren ace 75mg ed
    also right now running 2.5 letro ed damn gyno!!!!!
    im noticing little very little change with the letro but it has only been 7days since i ramped it up. should i switch to adex or stay on the letro a couple weeks to see a change?
    ike some one suggested. I want a big chest no man boobs
    I know i screwed up there being gyno prone.
    my strength is really starting to climb.
    6th cycle
    im 31
    5'7 232 prolly 16%f
    do my doses look right?
    i know its only week 3 so i need to wait for it to all kick in?
    i have read in places where some guys run the tren higher than the prop
    i am gyno prone with just test. so its just my body.
    im shoulder pressing 115sfor 6 squat is over 4 for 8 bench is over 350 reps
    just want to make sure im not being greedy and should keep my doses where they are. thanks

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    Run a lower dose of Test and higher tren to help with gyno. Also, do u have any other sides? if not try nolva at 20mg ed.
    Tweek ur diet so u lose some more BF%.
    Lower test to 50mg ed and tren to 75 or 100 mged
    begin nolva/tamox 20mgED
    Taper down with the letro
    once off letro, see how ur body is doing. if you notice major estrogen sides a while after letro (due to possible estrogen rebound) then start back up with aromasin or adex. *look at doses im unfamilar with those*

    that should help even you out. If you have bad test only sides, then you should run a minimal amount and rely on stacking. Some people can run 1g of test and be fine and be huge and no sides... and some cant run more tahn 700 w/o runing a AI and a whole bunch of other interactions. Try to keep it simple should be num 1 goal. if u can balance ur amounts of gear to minimize SERM/AI use, then thats better for recovery and keepable gains in the long run.

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    NEVERBIGENOUGH is offline Junior Member
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    yeah i startedmy prop one week early.
    gyno was alsmot immediate. i did post a gyno thing got some feedback
    i was doing 10mg nolva ed then gyno kicked in pretty good mid week 2
    startedmy letro
    i will definitely continue to read.
    only sides that are affecting me is gyno
    im already bald.
    tiny acne on shoulders minimal
    im sleeping fine
    no problems with the plumbing actually just the opposite! haha
    so maybe i will run the tren higher and drop the prop since my gyno is most likely test caused
    any more feed back guys would very much appreciate it !!!

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    NEVERBIGENOUGH is offline Junior Member
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    definitely learning to listen to body more instead of just pumping more chemicals into my body.

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    yea if you arent having any acne issues (which usually can be deal with by proper hygeine) and no bloat, switching to a SERM could help. Thats what i use for my gyno, and it works better than letro ....

    yea going down to 50-75mg test ed would be good, cuz thats not as drastic of a change in AR. and you want quality binding, not quantity binding (so in a ratio of tren /test binding you want to be closer to 1. 1(tren)/0(test). the test necessary binding will happen regardless with enough test but to much will only compete(ina sense, or think impurity) with the tren to the AR.

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    I have s4 on hand also.
    yeah im learning more as I read.
    Just reading and feedback I decided the 100 75 but im going to drop my test to 75 and 75 see how thatworks.
    going to do some more reading tren

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    Your numbers sound a little high, especially if it's the first time running tren . 16% is a little high and could be a consideration to the gyno. change up the diet and cut some more fat quickly.

    Consider keeping the numbers the same but instead of ED run it EOD. Letro will also stop some of your gains, try either adex or Aromasin .

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    ^i disagree with the EOD. That has a greater chance of peaks and valleys which bring side effects. ED pinning is best for short esters like those being used.

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    i am pinning ED
    its my 3rd time with tren
    but i ran it eod with t cyp for 12 a yr ago
    yeah i did consider my bf as apart of the gyno.
    but i am sensitive from my1st cycle 6yrs ago which was 250mg test e and deca a week for 10wks.
    i am gonna check my bf its just a guess.
    just trying to run it more effciently
    its my 6th cycle total
    i have used
    cyp
    eq
    test e
    proviron
    deca
    prop
    dbol
    anadrol
    tren
    i am liking the prop and tren
    i picked my doses based on feedback and suggestiongs from being on here
    they are high? so should i drop them a little?
    besides the gyno i have no other sides.....
    thanks

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    It might be a little high for YOU. Everyone reacts differently. Some can run 700mg - 1000mg without any estrogen problems. Some have issues at 250mg a week. Some people Letro works great, others nothing. Nothing is 100%. If Letro isn't working or if you think it's hindering gains to much then try an AI or make the mg a week a little less. Yeah it's like each of us are our own Ginnie-pig.

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    I just finished up a 40 day tren a and test prop cycle, 100mg a day of each a day. I got sen nipples about 1 week in. I started using liquidex at .5ml ED for the rest of the cycle. It lowered the the sensitivity and help me shed a little water

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    i might drop the mg a day down
    im runnning 2.5letro ed right now still not change
    dont see a stop in my gains yet but damn my nips are sore.
    maybe starting today i will drop my prop to 75 maybe even 50
    gonna order some adex
    see if that will work better for me.
    i been slackin on cardio gonna kick it way in drop some bf should help
    i really think it may be the test i was getting sensitive from almost day 3
    have to use test but stack it with other things at lower doses

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    let us know you progress with getting rid of it. enjoyed the posts

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    so plan is this week drop prop 75 tren 75 come down from letro and get some adex on hand since we all think im gyno is estrogen related.
    see how the week goes end up dropping test down to 50
    these are all ED injections.
    with dropping the test should i bump the tren or just ride it out at 75 ED

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    Increasing the cardio will be a little tough since u running tren (Im speakin from personal experience) but what u should try to do is up ur protein intake and lower the carbs a little bit.May be cut it after 6-7 PM! Doesnt matter how much protein u take it all gona be absorbed well so u wont loose any muscle-only fat...also u takin the only AS proven to shred fat-take advantage! Cutting some fat might also help u with the gyno issue.Also itd be really good if u throw some proviron in this cycle...

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    hmmm dont know if can get proviron before cycle runs.
    yeah well my cardio will be walking at incline at like 3.5
    yeah i get shortness of breathe and the gyno are the only things that are getting to me. well really hysr tge gyno

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