Is my first cycle made good? Starting it soon..

[riflemancho]

Not gunna lie. I'm 19 and im going to use AAS.. here are my measurements - 19 yr old, 188 tall, 90kg, 11-12% bf
1-6 400-500mg weekly Test propionate
1-6 oral winny 40mg – 10mg per 10 hours
1-6 50mg proviron daily – 25 morning, 25 evening
1-10 vitamin complex
1-10 fish oil
1-6 animal flex (damn winny)
1-6 liv52
pct
I start using pregnyl second week, and Im gonna use it 10 days before I start my terapy. So its bassicly 250 iu’s every 3 days 2-5 weeks
7-10 clomid 100mg/50mg/50mg/50mg
7-10 – tamoxifen 30/30/30/20mg
10-12 tribulus terrestris
7-10 clenbuterol 6-8 tablets
8-10 ketotifen

Nutrition:
1.breakfast
200g Oats
300 ml. Milk
5 whole eggs

2.
Chicken breast
Beans/Rice

3. Lunch
300-350 grams Rice/Beans/Potatoes /red tomatoes/ + salate (one of the carbs ofcourse..)
Chicken breast
OR
200grams oats + 500ml. milk + whey

4.Before training
1 scoop whey, 5 egg whites, salate, beans/rice

5. (after trainning)

2scoops of whey
1 Banana
glutamine

6. Dinner

Chicken breast/salate + little rice/beans


7. Before bed
1 scoop casein,glutamine,200 grams cottage cheese

Training :
1 Chest,bis,abs (injection)
2 Back,traps, abs (injection)
3. Rest
4. Shoulders,traps,tris (injection)
5.Legs,calves (injection)
6 Rest
7 Repeat (injection )

[MBMETC]

All I will say is you realize you stand a great risk of winding up with low testosterone levels and erectile dysfunction after this cycle.

[riflemancho]

Well.. what you reccomend then? ;/ I think i have a good pct,and i add tribulus aswell. Maybe i should just do 1500 iu pregnyl 4 days after last inj?

[dirtybrd]

Maybe you shouldnt do it at all. Dont be dumb!! You're running a huge risk of f'ing yourself up...for life. Think about it, really think about it, do you want to be on TRT for the rest of your life, say the next 55-60yrs? Oh, it sounds great, test forever, YAY. But what happens if you lose interest in weights, get married and want to start a family just to find out you may be sterile. Wait until your 25, please!

[dirtybrd]

Maybe you shouldnt do it at all. Dont be dumb!! You're running a huge risk of f'ing yourself up...for life. Think about it, really think about it, do you want to be on TRT for the rest of your life, say the next 55-60yrs? Oh, it sounds great, test forever, YAY. But what happens if you lose interest in weights, get married and want to start a family just to find out you may be sterile. Wait until your 25, please!

[riflemancho]

Well i won't use interest in weights, you're right about i want aswell kids.. but tell me really.. is that chance huge? My balls aren't still developed and may stop is that you want to tell me eh?

[gearbox]

no they are trying to help you from making some young mistakes. you could have dick problems forever and say" baby we gotta wait 30 min for this pill to kick in" she says but your only 21

[DGK]

Besides the fact that u r too young to take aas bc your body is not done developing yet. You are taking way too many compounds for your first cycle. Till your 25 all your gonna hear from ppl here is go to the diet forum.

[gymfu]

Well i won't use interest in weights, you're right about i want aswell kids.. but tell me really.. is that chance huge? My balls aren't still developed and may stop is that you want to tell me eh?

Yes it is possible. You got some work to naturaly and with your diet. Given your choices of AAS I guess your trying to cut and that is not a cutting diet. Head over to the diet section and get that fixed.

Have you had your test levels checked? At your age you should be making plenty.

[riflemancho]

Nah, i haven't checked my test levels. I have lots of friends from the university around my age (19 to 21-2 ofc), had no problems, except crying for joints bcuz of winny ****.. I hate my genetics, i gain muscle easily, but for every pound of muscle i gain i get alot of fat.. My diet is kinda lean, still getting fat. I eat around 150 to 200 carbs before training (ofcourse of good source) and 1 banana after train + whey, and if i add more bananas, or in my dinner i get's stored as fck.. fat!!! My metabolism is slow as fck at 19, what will happen when i am 23-4? I work very hard to get low fat body %... Maybe i coulld check my levels of the thyroid hormones or whatever called, to see is it normal to gain fat that easy...

[gymfu]

Nah, i haven't checked my test levels. I have lots of friends from the university around my age (19 to 21-2 ofc), had no problems, except crying for joints bcuz of winny ****.. I hate my genetics, i gain muscle easily, but for every pound of muscle i gain i get alot of fat.. My diet is kinda lean, still getting fat. I eat around 150 to 200 carbs before training (ofcourse of good source) and 1 banana after train + whey, and if i add more bananas, or in my dinner i get's stored as fck.. fat!!! My metabolism is slow as fck at 19, what will happen when i am 23-4? I work very hard to get low fat body %... Maybe i coulld check my levels of the thyroid hormones or whatever called, to see is it normal to gain fat that easy...

Well if I was you I would get a blood test done, test, thyroid, and full chem work up. Your diet has too much fat. This is not the forum to discuss this and I by no means consider myself any kind of diet expert but 5 whole eggs is way too much fat in one meal. Even in bulking diets guys will eat two whole eggs and the rest in whites.

With your body type you have no reason to jump into AAS now, eat right and you can make good progress naturaly!

[MBMETC]

Cardio, cardio and more cardio don't ever underestimate the importunes of cardio as part of your training.

[riflemancho]

What are the chem.. thing? Uhm i eat 10 whole eggs a day, cause i don't have other fats, even in the salate.. Sometimes i eat peannuts or almonds, but rare.. once a week. I do cardio, but rare, like right now, to keep my bf % at what it is.

[gymfu]

Ok well the cardio is the biggest problem, you need to be doing it at least 5 days a week. 5 whole eggs it too much fat, go post up in the diet forum.

[riflemancho]

So bassicly if i make the whole eggs 3-4 a day i will get .. uhm less than 30grams of fats.. Nah man, my nutrition is ok,the problem is my metabolism.. I have small gains in muscle mass, huge in fat... None of my friends got problems after cycle with anything (atleast they don't know),should i remove/add something in my cycle, is it ok? Maybe i will make more research and may not start cycle, but like i said at this state, i ate lean, gain fat, and very hard muscle. Fcking genetics man..And oh.. i really prefer to make weight training 5-6 times a weeks, than a cardio ;-)

[gymfu]

So bassicly if i make the whole eggs 3-4 a day i will get .. uhm less than 30grams of fats.. Nah man, my nutrition is ok,the problem is my metabolism.. I have small gains in muscle mass, huge in fat... None of my friends got problems after cycle with anything (atleast they don't know),should i remove/add something in my cycle, is it ok? Maybe i will make more research and may not start cycle, but like i said at this state, i ate lean, gain fat, and very hard muscle. Fcking genetics man..And oh.. i really prefer to make weight training 5-6 times a weeks, than a cardio ;-)

Ok, I don't know what I'm talking about. Post that diet in the diet section, I DARE you. You think your nutrition is good? I see other problems with that diet too. It's obvious you just threw that diet together. Have you done any research on how to eat?

Everyone is so quick to jump on AAS with out playing with their diet.

[riflemancho]

Yeah, 3 years.. if that's quick Well i will post it tomorrow, i don't have it on copy/paste Aswell im sure im not far away from my genetic potential, im 90kgs at 1.88..

Oh, and the butter. That's my fat for all day.. 10 whole eggs & 10-20 gramms of butter ;D

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ids&highlight=

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[riflemancho]

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[MBMETC]

So your not willing to budge on you diet and you want to do no cardio. then don't come here and bitch you gain more fat than muscle.

[dirtybrd]

^^^and think AAS is the solution, LOL

[Knockout_Power]

This is a bad idea in so many ways, tribulus is not going to help anything.

you are risking a lot in cycling this young and that diet is complete crap... you will see no real sustainable gains but you will most likely bloat up...

Please reconsider

[unexpected]

Why dont you kids listen?!!! Mate, i would honestly reconsider. I posted a while back about a friend who did a cycle @ 21 (2 years older than you) and is now 28 and still having issues.

Get your diet in check, get your routine in check and wait 5 - 6 years. Trust me - all these guys here are telling you this because they've been there or seen it, and understand the risks. DO YOUR RESEARCH!

[lovbyts]

Why dont you kids listen?!!! Mate, i would honestly reconsider. I posted a while back about a friend who did a cycle @ 21 (2 years older than you) and is now 28 and still having issues.

Get your diet in check, get your routine in check and wait 5 - 6 years. Trust me - all these guys here are telling you this because they've been there or seen it, and understand the risks. DO YOUR RESEARCH!

Because at 19 you know everything and people who are 30+ are old, stupid and out of touch with reality. LOL Another example of as we get older we realize how much we didnt know. Another typical kid who will be back with ED questions later or on some other BB site.

[DGK]

Until you are consuming the proper foods u will only gain fat.

[Thedud3]

In my opinion you should switch your dose to 000/week and diet

[Thedud3]

What about cardio? Like 60 min 145 FC 3 times a week? Works well for me and im 19 and I have a slow ass metabolism to lollllll

[riflemancho]

I said enough times my diet is fine. There ain't any problem with it. I will post it later... Atm im 16-7% bf, gonna lower it to 12-3-4%, and keep it with some light cardio & weight training, but im adding muscle mass far too slow & gaining fat easy..

[Thedud3]

IMO you have to split your training in 2 parts, 2-3 months cutting, 2-3 months bulking

[riflemancho]

Yeah,@thedude that works best for me actually.. Here was how was my diet when i was bulking. Im ok with cutting, not too fast, but i don't lose much muscle mass, so its ok

100grams of oats, 300ml. milk 4 whole eggs
70-80 grams rice (not cooked) + chicken breast
120-130 grams of oats, 5 whole eggs
After train banana, sometimes two if i work legs/back and whey
Chicken/pork
Before bed : 100grams of yogurt + 100 grams of cottage cheese. My only activity is the training, i don't count the uniersity. I use always butter for eggs.

Aswell.. weights are far better than any cardio,whatever you tell me ..

[riflemancho]

Anyway,maybe i will wait 3-4 years, i will sell the shit i bought, or keep it after i try 1 more ****ing huge stack with supps & perfect diet to 1 calorie. I will expect atleast 2-3kgs lean mass with maximum of 1 or 2 fat, for 3,4 months, sounds good.. Aswell, could i retain water from fats? This time i won't use monohydrate,maybe kre-alkalyn?

[riflemancho]

Ok guys, i decided to not use steroids , for now. Thanks for the help. I will give all the shit i bought to a friend. I will tell him that cycle that is like that,cause i bought everything.. Anything else ? I will wait till 23-4.. till there, weights, weights & more weights..Good luck

[Bullseye Forever]

All I will say is you realize you stand a great risk of winding up with low testosterone levels and erectile dysfunction after this cycle.

well put brother