24yrs old first cycle- CYP vs ENTH

[Universal1]

Have been on and off this site and others researching for some time. Ready to start my first cycle and agree with most educated members running a test by itself for 10-12 weeks with pct to follow. Going to see how my body reacts. Been dieting and exercising consistently for about 6 years. My question is: I have one bottle of test cyp@250mg/ml and one bottle of test ent@250mg/ml, I know they are very similar in regards to ester chains, but should I do both at the same time or wait to do one vs the other. I havent seen any one particular post in reference to this. I am 24 5'8'' 164lbs. bf less than 5%. Looking to put on 10-15lbs of lean mass, and with the proper protein and caloric intake I know I can. Just need some first hand advice taking both cyp and enth. Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

[Universal1]

forgot to add, I have read they are interchangeable meaning I can use either or, but I already have both so my question is to those who have tried both and what kind of results you saw. I know everyone is different

[D7M]

You're right, they are pretty much interchangeable, but I really doubt you are under 5% body fat.

[Universal1]

That was a guestimate, if I showed u current pics youd probably agree on +-5%. I played semi pro soccer and other sports all my life so I been in pretty good shape. Have you done a cycle interchanging cyp n enth?

[D7M]

Well then post a pic. It's simple.

You're probably 8-10% body fat.

Yes, I've interchanged cyp and enth. It's fine.

[Universal1]

That might work, otherwise need advice eaiser way to upload

[marcus300]

You can use both without any issues, they are virtually the same except the cyp as a heavier ester. I doubt your 5 % also but would be nice to see a pic.

[Universal1]

thank you for the advice. Can u see the pic i uploaded? thats from 2 weeks ago

[marcus300]

No cant see any pic

[Universal1]

[marcus300]

You cant really tell from that pic but your not 5%bf your more like 12% ish IMHO. You do look like you have a great base, best of luck

[D7M]

^Agreed

[Universal1]

thank you, you too. gunna run the cyp,enth, n nolvadex let you know how it goes

[marcus300]

Keep us updated, would be nice to see what progress you make from this cycle with your base. Remember to adjust calories throughout the cycle to suit the new gains..

[Universal1]

As far as calories, I have been aiming for 3500calories on train day, 2900 on off days. 246g protein/day. How should I adjust while on cycle?

[D7M]

As far as calories, I have been aiming for 3500calories on train day, 2900 on off days. 246g protein/day. How should I adjust while on cycle?

There's many different diet methods, feel free to start a thread in the diet section for some feedback.

[marcus300]

As far as calories, I have been aiming for 3500calories on train day, 2900 on off days. 246g protein/day. How should I adjust while on cycle?

Depending on your goals for the cycle would determine how you would attack your diet, but as you start to gain and develop during the cycle make sure you adjust the calories to support the new weight gain/tissue, many don't adjust while on cycle which will result in losing gains off cycle more than you should.

[Turkish Juicer]

As far as calories, I have been aiming for 3500calories on train day, 2900 on off days. 246g protein/day. How should I adjust while on cycle?

246 gr protein a day is plenty. You are getting plenty of anabolic protein at your stats, no need to increment it only because you will be cycling. Make sure you are not ''abusing'' supplements; that is, do your best to get your daily protein intake mostly from whole foods as opposed to getting half of it from shakes. Pre and post-workout protein shakes with a combination of simple and complex carbs is the way to go with protein supplementation. Maybe a scoop or two of Casein (with water) about 30 mins. before bed on training days.

[Universal1]

I know, i have friends and relatives who have been on gear before and have had gyno, lost the gains, lost interest. guys wanna party and booze every weekend while taking it, im not about that shit at all. I waited to do this the right way and my goals are to gain lean mass and keep it. Im at around 164lbs id like to realistically get to 185 (don't want to overdue it being 5'8'') and look stupid. when you say adjust the calories to support new gains, should I increase the amount of calories per day throughout cycle?

[Universal1]

throughout my day im having :
breakfast- 3 scrambled eggs, 4 egg whites, one slice whole wheat toast
mid morning shake ( 8 oz water,casein, half bannana)
lunch- grilled chicken, rice, vegetables or tuna
pre workout- shake(8 oz water,whey, casein) (sometimes apple w/peanut butter)
30-45 mins before workout (jack3d, arginine/ornithine)
during workout (sip on xtend)
post workout- (8 oz water, whey, casien, 1/2bannana, peanut butter)
dinner- (chicken, steak, green veggies,sweet potatoe)
before bed- (8 oz water, casein, zinc)

should i discontinue the over the counter supps (jack3d,xtend) while on cycle?

[rodosman]

cut down on 1 protein shake. Maybe add lowfat/nonfat cottage cheese as last meal. Real food is more diserable

[Turkish Juicer]

throughout my day im having :
breakfast- 3 scrambled eggs, 4 egg whites, one slice whole wheat toast
mid morning shake ( 8 oz water,casein, half bannana)
lunch- grilled chicken, rice, vegetables or tuna
pre workout- shake(8 oz water,whey, casein) (sometimes apple w/peanut butter)
30-45 mins before workout (jack3d, arginine/ornithine)
during workout (sip on xtend)
post workout- (8 oz water, whey, casien, 1/2bannana, peanut butter)
dinner- (chicken, steak, green veggies,sweet potatoe)
before bed- (8 oz water, casein, zinc)

should i discontinue the over the counter supps (jack3d,xtend) while on cycle?

This is indeed a good example of a poor diet. This is not merely due to the fact that you are getting more than half of your daily protein intake from protein supplements as opposed to macro nutritions from whole food sources, but also because your diet lacks EFAs (essential fatty acids) that are a must for one's general well being but also are triggering compounds of androgenic hormones as well as being natural lubricants for joints. You need to introduce EFAs to your diet first and foremost, along with increasing the number of macro meals. I recommend you ditch the bread and replace it with oats.

[Universal1]

I forgot to add in my description oats for breakfast, sometimes salmon and other fish for dinner, almonds and walnuts for snack, what other EFAs would you suggest? I will also decrease the # of shakes per day and get proten from foods.

[minimonster]

It sounds like ur ready man
keep ur diet in check
if i were in ur situation i would do 1/2 cc of cyp then 1/2 cc the ent 3.5 days later if u r only going to do 250 mg per wk
maybe thats not what u should do but i dont think it would make much diff

[Universal1]

thanks brothr. Thats what i was planning and was one of my questions, should I alternate them mondays and thursdays, or finish the cyp then do the enth, sorry prob not clear enough. The gear I have are 250mg/ml. I was told how to do it from my source, but wanted to get knowledgable input from everyone on this site also.

[minimonster]

do u have an anti-e on hand?

[Universal1]

I currently have novedex xt, my source said i shouldnt need anything for the amount im doing and my first time but i disagree.What do u suggest?

[minimonster]

I like arimadex i would get some if i were you.
I take it when my nipples get sensitive .5mg eod for a total of 1mg. then off until it comes back if it even does

[minimonster]

what is your pct??

[pebble]

This is indeed a good example of a poor diet. This is not merely due to the fact that you are getting more than half of your daily protein intake from protein supplements as opposed to macro nutritions from whole food sources, but also because your diet lacks EFAs (essential fatty acids) that are a must for one's general well being but also are triggering compounds of androgenic hormones as well as being natural lubricants for joints. You need to introduce EFAs to your diet first and foremost, along with increasing the number of macro meals. I recommend you ditch the bread and replace it with oats.

We have disagreed on many topics, but I completely agree with your take on his diet. He Needs to start taking some omega 3 and cut back on the reliance on protein supplements.

[pebble]

I forgot to add in my description oats for breakfast, sometimes salmon and other fish for dinner, almonds and walnuts for snack, what other EFAs would you suggest? I will also decrease the # of shakes per day and get proten from foods.

Just take a basic omega 3 supplement. Something generic will work, but you can by higher potency pills online. It has been shown to help in many chronic diseases. You DO NOT want Omega 3-6-9 or 3-6. You only want Omega 3 to help create balance in the ratios of 3-6-9.

[robschuh]

You know what? My guess is that you can gain 10-15 lbs of lean body mass by simply increasing your calories, but keep them clean. I would also try to increase your weights and possibly drop your reps a bit and make sure that you're not over training. Over training is a HUGE problem with many guys, especially those like you who are lean and young. Everyone wants results fast, but you have to be patient. When I was 21, I was 5'10" and 140 lbs and hydrostatically tested at 4% bodyfat. All I did was increase my caloric intake and force up more weight and I went from 140 to 170 in 6 months and after 6 months was only 5% body fat. That's when I did my first cycle, which was only 200 mg/wk of Deca and 40 mg/day of Anavar and I went up to 190 in 8 weeks. I would hold on to that test for a while and have a go at it naturally. You're still young and your natural test levels should be pretty good. Don't be afraid to put a little fat on, just don't go crazy! :-)

[robschuh]

This is indeed a good example of a poor diet. This is not merely due to the fact that you are getting more than half of your daily protein intake from protein supplements as opposed to macro nutritions from whole food sources, but also because your diet lacks EFAs (essential fatty acids) that are a must for one's general well being but also are triggering compounds of androgenic hormones as well as being natural lubricants for joints. You need to introduce EFAs to your diet first and foremost, along with increasing the number of macro meals. I recommend you ditch the bread and replace it with oats.

I agree. I just looked at his diet and he needs to get some essential fatty acids in his diet. I would also add some monos like Olive Oil too. I never relied upon protein supplements to get my main protein intake. I used Supplemental protein if I didn't have time to eat or was in a rush to do something. People don't realize that if you are young and have a fast metabolism, you have to eat like a lunatic. When I was 21 and only weighed 140, eating was like a 2nd job. You guys today are lucky to have EFA supps. They were not really on the market back in the 80s and no one really knew how important they were back then either. Even things like Whey protein are rather new. Dan Duchaine was the first guy to get whey protein. Back in 1990 when I was living in Venice and getting ready for the NPC Nationals, Dan lived around the corner from Venice Gold's. He used to get the Whey protein in these huge 50 lbs brown bags. It had no flavoring and tasted like crap. Most people don't know this, but the "designer" of Designer Whey was Dan Duchaine. He was good friends with David Jenkins and it was the first Whey supp on the market.

[Universal1]

Just take a basic omega 3 supplement. Something generic will work, but you can by higher potency pills online. It has been shown to help in many chronic diseases. You DO NOT want Omega 3-6-9 or 3-6. You only want Omega 3 to help create balance in the ratios of 3-6-9.

I have super omega 3-gems fish oil concentrate. 100 soft gela: 1000mg. good?

[Universal1]

what is your pct??

Before anything i told myself i would get other opinions on pct for the amount of gear i am doing. My plan was novladex 100mg 10 days. 60 mg 10 days. 40 mg 10 days. or clomid start 2 weeks after last shot for 3 weeks. heard of arimadex dont know too much about it. and hcg i read worsens recovry if used after cycle is done. hcg should be done during cycle. what are some pros n cons of arimadex and have you tried novedex xt as an anti-e, test booster, could this be used for pct?