Newbie questions, I've read the stickies

[Wishbone]

Greetings all, I'm late 30s and plan to begin a deca and test prop cycle in the next month. I've read through many of the posts and stickies and reference material on deca and test prop and didn't find answers for my situation, so hopefully I won't be wasting your time with these questions.

My source has said since this will be my first cycle aas ever, I should begin with a light 3 weeks of deca and then test prop for 6 or so weeks after. HOWEVER, after reading through all this material here, I see that a general plan of attack for deca is no less than 10-12 weeks. Also, the material here says because it will lower natural test production in the body so sharply, one should be taking test at the same time and even about until 2 weeks after deca use stops in order to jumpstart test production.

Do you guys concur, deca 10-12 weeks test prop through the whole cycle and a couple weeks further? also, with this basic cycle of lower doses (since it's my first cycle) would there be much pct needed, and if so, what would it call for?

My only other question for now is regarding loss of your muscle gains afterwards. I know that say if you gain 30 lbs on a cycle or two, you will most likely lose 10-15 lbs of it when the cycle ends. I have studied exercise physiology and food science a bit and want to know: IF you eat enough calories in the right macronutrient amounts to maintain the new 30 lbs of muscle, why must I lose a large part of it? What causes that physiologically? I did learn from columns here that you DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO START A CUT immediately after a bulk/aas cycle because you will certainly lose most of the muscle you gained.

Thanks for everyone's thoughts.

[38jumper38]

Nice to know you going an cycle,
can you post your stats?
will be easy to help you.

[bass]

i'll let the more experienced guys answer the AAS questions, but for the PCT yes its a must, and post your cycle in the PCT section so the guys there can help you. good luck with your cycle!

[gymfu]

Just to let you know, the 30lb gain will not all be muscle tissue. When you are on a cycle you will retain fluid and your muscles will be fuller. This will be about 5-15 lbs of gain, you WILL loose this weight when you get off your cycle. The key is to gain more weight, this will be muscle tissue. And this can be kept after your cycle ends, given proper diet and training.

GL

Post all your stats

[Wishbone]

My stats: 5'11, 170, 14%bf. My dosages are yet to be determined. I'm supposed to get my stuff in next month.

[Hazard]

regarding your cycle: I'd stick with test only for a 1st go. You're better off with Test Enanthate because using test prop for more than 8 weeks can get a little old. Test prop should be pinned everyday or eod at the least. That gets old after a few weeks. Test Enanthate can be pinned twice a week and is much easier to cope with for a first cycle. The reason you want to stick with one compound is because you don't currently know how you will respond to either compound. If a problem arises - how will you know exactly which compound is causing the issue?

Regarding retaining gains: It does have a lot to dow ith your nutrition and training post cycle but keep in mind once you stop injectingexogenous testosterone or other anabolics - your natural testosterone production will not be functioning. This is why we run PCT. (post cycle therapy ) - even if you have a great pct lined up..... there will still be a small period of time where your testosterone levels will be in the dirt. Mass can certainly be lost during this time...... nitrogen levels wont be as high either. Also..... water is retained by the body and when you come off cycle that water can disipate and further cause weight reduction.

~Haz~

[Wishbone]

Thanks haz.
My original plan was deca only. But when I lOoked up deca profile on this site the author said you really need to run test at same time. But I agree with your logic. Regarding the type of testosterone the kind u do every other day is the only one available to me.

What would you recommend then? Just do deca cycles or deca then pct then test prop for a cycle?

[Hazard]

Thanks haz.
My original plan was deca only. But when I lOoked up deca profile on this site the author said you really need to run test at same time. But I agree with your logic. Regarding the type of testosterone the kind u do every other day is the only one available to me.

What would you recommend then? Just do deca cycles or deca then pct then test prop for a cycle?

I definately would NOT run deca by itself mate..... alot of people have done so in the past and it generally doesn't pan out well. Especially because you are in your 30's..... deca can be a little harder to recover from. It sucks you can't get any other test..... it just doesn't make much sense. One would think your source would carry Test E if he's got deca and test prop.

I would probably recomend an 8 week cycle of test prop..... it's a nice short blast cycle that you should be able to recover from fairly easily. If you find that 8 weeks of injecting everyday wasn't too bad then maybe consider a 12 week test prop and 10 week deca cycle for the next one.

I would hate to see you start the test and deca only to wanna stop the everyday injections 6-7 weeks into the deca and then still have to continue injecting the test for another 2-3 weeks.

~Haz~

[axemurderer187]

whats the deal lately with these new guys wanting to run dec alone all of a sudden. I must of read a thousand post about that. Is someone givin out this bogus advice, that's cardinal sin # 1.

[bass]

whats the deal lately with these new guys wanting to run dec alone all of a sudden. I must of read a thousand post about that. Is someone givin out this bogus advice, that's cardinal sin # 1.

the original poster said he is new and been reading the stickies, so everything he stated is correct, he obviously doesn't understand stacking and thats why hes asking!

[bass]

I definately would NOT run deca by itself mate..... alot of people have done so in the past and it generally doesn't pan out well. Especially because you are in your 30's..... deca can be a little harder to recover from. It sucks you can't get any other test..... it just doesn't make much sense. One would think your source would carry Test E if he's got deca and test prop.

I would probably recomend an 8 week cycle of test prop..... it's a nice short blast cycle that you should be able to recover from fairly easily. If you find that 8 weeks of injecting everyday wasn't too bad then maybe consider a 12 week test prop and 10 week deca cycle for the next one.

I would hate to see you start the test and deca only to wanna stop the everyday injections 6-7 weeks into the deca and then still have to continue injecting the test for another 2-3 weeks.

~Haz~

excellent advice!

[Lemonada8]

Definately dont do a Deca and Prop cycle first. You will get so sick of pinning that u wont wanna cycle again. Deca and prop dont go well together due to ester differences. Deca is 2x week, prop is ED. Deca and test E go good, and NPP and prop go well.
For a first cycle, you dont want to do deca either. first, test only is the way to go. Testosterone is what makes us males, and thats what we want to be more of.. more masculine. That way when you do a test only cycle (IMO prop is best) you can see how your body reacts to the test and then go from there. If you have problems when stacking alot ona first cycle, you dont know where ur going wrong at, and can cause more problems.
Deca is a 19nor, so it shuts down natural production harder because you have to regulate another steroid .
If you do go with prop, go with 50-75 mg ED for 7-8 weeks. thats a good burst cycle with plenty of possible gains to be had providing ur diet and workouts are good. Going much longer puts alot of wear on injection sites due to ED injections, and if you are going to cycle that long, then use a longer ester.
as for keeping gains, heres the deal: if everyone actually waited untill their natural potential was reached, then alot of people would have WAY less gains and keep much less of it. Your body has a certain limit of mass it can handle (and this is healthy mass, muscle which you need to use to keep) using steroids can push you past your natural limit which you then try to maintain as long as possible, but eventually you will go back to your bodys natural limit. The thing is with people that have great gains prolly didnt have as good of a base to begin with as they thought, and those who kept the big gains have good discpline to keep pushing their body past that point. also your diet and hydratoin will amount to alot of weight lost, aka water weight. A good diet and low sodium intake will minimize bloat, and water weight esp when you use prop.
best of luck! be sure to run HCG during ur cycle, and Nolva for a PCT. (for a test only cycle)

[axemurderer187]

the original poster said he is new and been reading the stickies, so everything he stated is correct, he obviously doesn't understand stacking and thats why hes asking!

so do you honestly believe he has been reading the stickies when he came up with that as a first cycle or maybe just glanced at them and said he has.

[Wishbone]

Axe I have read quite a bit of the stickies. BUT I read them after I was able to line up deca and test on the advice of a seller who has used aas for awhile. After this became possible for me I found this website and looked up the deca and test profiles. I've been lifting 20 years and have weighed as much as 215 lbs but with too much fat. In contest shape I weigh more like 150. I'm not new to weights and cardio but I admit I have little knowledge about aas. I'm just asking for advice now about the program of aas my source recommended for a newbie. Thanks.

[DGK]

Run only test for your first cycle 500 mg/ wk. When u run multiple compounds it will be harder to tell which one is giving u side effects. Run just the test and have your pct planned out and on hand ahead of time. good luck

[axemurderer187]

^^ that, and don't plan a cycle based on what's available to you. Your essentially about to chemically change hormones in your body. I know I would want to know exactly the repurcussions before I start injecting myself with foreign chemicals. As for your source, he has given you some really terrible advice. Deca for 3 weeks? It takes about 4 weeks to even begin to yield any results. Like mentioned above. For your first time, just run a long ester test like cypanate or enanthate alone.

[rekone77]

My first cycle ever was a test cyp and a deca . Don't get me wrong I say great results but like everyone has said it is not a good idea cause u don't no what compound is doin what. I also hav to say make sure to get your pct on point cause deca can do some serious stuff to your body if not came off the right way