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    fast esters vs slow esters in ripping cycles?

    age 21
    cycles run: 2. ( currently on my second cycle)
    weight: 190lbs
    height: 187cm
    body fat: 12-15% ? im not sure,, but u can see my abs when im not tightn my muscle.. so it cant be too high

    Doing a bulk cycle right now with test E, Tren E, Deca D and anadrol as kickstarter.

    Next cycle will be a pure ripping cycle.. andi wonder is it best to use fast acting esters or slow acting esters?? i kinda want to use slow because of the injection times.. i dont want to inject ED.. doing 2 times a week now.. with the slow esters... but ive heard that test prop forexample doesnt bind so much water and stuff,, its better for ripping urself... but what about other cutting roids?? like mast and tren??

    has that anything to say if its slow or fast??
    ps: if i use arimidex i will remove all water renetation so it doesnt mather if i use enethate test or prop test??

    i was thinking of a cycle with :

    week 1-12 test prop - 450mg ew EoD shots.
    weel 1-11 tren Ace - 400mg ew EoD shots.
    week 6-12 winstrol 50mg ED ( oral)

    What about this?? ive read that u should keep ur test in ur body longer then other compounds because of shut down... but all steroids doesnt shut you down?? like winstrol or masterone?? it doesnt mather if they are longer in ur body then the testosterone ??


    thank you for answers

    quite noobish questions here. but..

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    why are you stopping your tren a week early?
    i thiknk that cycle looks fine, combine that test and tren in the same pin on EOD shots, should be like 2ml

    prop for cutting b'c you'll get less water retention- hence: cutting
    tren is great for cutting or bulking, or a little of both at the same time
    winny is always a good cutter, but orals are bad for the liver...

    *since you've already done 2 cycles, there's no point in me telling you you're too young, but you are- too late now though*

    for a second cycle, that is a friggin monster. what i've always done/heard of others doing is add one compound each cycle... eg, start test, then a cutter with test and tren, then a bulker with test tren and deca , then a cutter with test tren and winny... that way you only have one new thing each time. but again... it's too late now

    to answer your last question, test should be the last thing in yoru cycle... so if you have 12 weeks of tren, do at least 12 of test. otherwise, you'll have a week or two of just tren, and you'll get fina d*ick... and then it'll throw off your transition to pct a little. always run test to the very end

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    Sorry guy you are to young.All you need is a good diet at your age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by songdog View Post
    Sorry guy you are to young.All you need is a good diet at your age.
    yea... but he's on his second cycle already- kinda too late to save a healthy hpta at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleaver View Post
    why are you stopping your tren a week early?
    i thiknk that cycle looks fine, combine that test and tren in the same pin on EOD shots, should be like 2ml

    prop for cutting b'c you'll get less water retention- hence: cutting
    tren is great for cutting or bulking, or a little of both at the same time
    winny is always a good cutter, but orals are bad for the liver...

    *since you've already done 2 cycles, there's no point in me telling you you're too young, but you are- too late now though*

    for a second cycle, that is a friggin monster. what i've always done/heard of others doing is add one compound each cycle... eg, start test, then a cutter with test and tren, then a bulker with test tren and deca , then a cutter with test tren and winny... that way you only have one new thing each time. but again... it's too late now

    to answer your last question, test should be the last thing in yoru cycle... so if you have 12 weeks of tren, do at least 12 of test. otherwise, you'll have a week or two of just tren, and you'll get fina d*ick... and then it'll throw off your transition to pct a little. always run test to the very end


    ehm? run tren 12 weeks and prop 12 weeks?? and then u say always run test longer? or to the very end?? isnt it okay to run tren a 11 weeks and prop 12 weeks then??

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    12 weeks of EOD prop and tren and ur scared of going ED with shots? doesnt make sense.

    a) to young, esp to use tren
    B) i would adjust it to 8 weeks of Ed pin
    C) yes stop the tren a week before the test, or a few day is smart so its all out before the test is gone.
    D) make sure ur diet is good
    E) do some HCG during cycl 500iu 2x week untill first day of PCT then 1000iu then done.
    F) Some fine if tren is higher than test a lil, that helps alievate the sides.
    G) ur too young
    H) IMO i prefer short esters for all cycles

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    okay.. but i also wonder on ripping cycles.. i also need to go on lower calorie diet to get ripped? isnt that most important part?? so my question is... will the steroids work when im going on caloric deficit ?? cus then i might get rtid of the fat before i start cycle.. but that not so motivating to do if it doesnt work ive heard primobolan is good at caloric deficit ... what do you guys mean?

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    if you cant maintain the mental discpline to eat correctly on cycle, then you need to take a 2nd look at what ur doing.
    check out the diet section for better help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonada8 View Post
    if you cant maintain the mental discpline to eat correctly on cycle, then you need to take a 2nd look at what ur doing.
    check out the diet section for better help
    -.- read what i wrote. i do know how to eat and what to eat.. i just wonder if steroids work when on caloric deficit .
    so i know if i need to eat low while off steroids to get the weight i want ,, or if its okay to eat low carbs and stuff as a caloric deficit and use steroids with it.... some steroids is better for this?? like primo is good or??

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuppah View Post
    -.- read what i wrote. i do know how to eat and what to eat.. i just wonder if steroids work when on caloric deficit .
    so i know if i need to eat low while off steroids to get the weight i want ,, or if its okay to eat low carbs and stuff as a caloric deficit and use steroids with it.... some steroids is better for this?? like primo is good or??

    These two statements are mutually exclusive.

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    quite noobish questions here. but..



    expected from a 21 yo you are way too young too cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuppah View Post
    ehm? run tren 12 weeks and prop 12 weeks?? and then u say always run test longer? or to the very end?? isnt it okay to run tren a 11 weeks and prop 12 weeks then??
    what i MEANT was run prop to the end, or further... example of each:
    6 weeks prop and tren
    2 weeks prop

    or
    8 weeks prop and tren

    either way, prop is run through to the very end. what you don't want is something like this:
    6 weeks prop and tren
    2 weeks tren

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