Pct help needed urgently

**Charliesinclair121** · 05-25-2011, 11:59 AM

Hi all I need some advice,
Basically I'm in my 4th week of my cycle, im doing ultracut 150

Masteron 50mg
Tren acetate 50mg
Test propionate 50mg

I'm thinking of stacking it with 5x10mg winstrol tabs but don't know what to do about a pct as I am doing orals and oils.

Desperately need advice

Oh also my cycle finishes 2 weeks before a 2 week holiday.
What do you recommend I do?

**Lemonada8** · 05-25-2011, 02:14 PM

what r ur stats?

If thats all one, i wouldnt add anything in.
you should be running HCG also. are you?
pct of nolva/clomid and some hcg would be good.
need some more info b4 more help...

**Charliesinclair121** · 05-26-2011, 06:45 AM

21yrs
6'2"
274lbs (19st 8lbs)
20%bf

Basically I'm doing 2 shots of ultracut a week
Monday 1 x 2ml
Thursday 1 x 2ml

I am going to start the winstrol tabs on Monday at 5x10mg

I'm not doing anything like hcg at the moment. My nuts have gone small and tight which I know is normal, how long will it take them to return to normal size?

Also how long do you suggest I pct for? I go away 2 weeks after my cycle for 2 weeks so if it any longer than a 2 week pct I will have to take my pct with me.

What do you recommed I do?

Cheers

**Dr Pepper** · 05-26-2011, 06:50 AM

I suggest stop your cycle now and start PCT. Nolva, Clomid... Asap

Your too young. Do u know what the associated risks are with cycling at your age? Not to mention your Bf% being high?

**Charliesinclair121** · 05-26-2011, 07:03 AM

Ye, ive heard that your fine from 21 years onwards, I may aswell finish because there is 4 weeks left, well I'm basing my bf % on a test a year ago since then I've lost a fair bit of it, so probably nearer the 15% region, I understand that's still high. My main concern is my testicles returning to normal? they have in my last few cycles but I never really pct'd properly as I didn't do much research on it I just took advice from people at the gym. This time around I would like to do a full pct and recover properly, this will be my last ever cycle as I don't want to do it anymore as risks are quite high. How long would you recommend pcting for and what dosages

**Lemonada8** · 05-26-2011, 10:07 AM

Wow... that is a very advanced cycle for a 21 y/o. U need a good PCT.
x2 on the stop cycle now.
You are using ED or EOD esters, not 2x week.
U need hcg during ur cycle to keep boys high
Should have planned out lil better...
pct should be :
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
HCG 1000iu 1st day of pct.

U relly need to get some HCG now, and during ur cycle 500iu 2x week.

and i doubt tthis is the last cycle ever, if dont proplerly they are awesome.

ALso wth the high bf% u increase the risk for added problems.

U need to either stop ur cycle now, which would be best IMO
or move ur shots closer together to EOD and finish up sooner than planned.

Next time dont 100% trust the guy at the gym do some research

lots of info here

**Charliesinclair121** · 05-26-2011, 11:17 AM

Ok, thanks buddy, why do you both reckon I should stop?
Also what will the hcg do if i start running it now? I will take this advice and get some, let's say I didnt run hcg with my cycle would
My boys be fine and recover normally after?

How long do u suggest I run clomid and Nolvadex for? I thought they were really similar?

**Charliesinclair121** · 05-26-2011, 11:19 AM

Also does the hcg stop the roids from doing there thing?

**warren916** · 05-26-2011, 11:29 AM

Your only pinning twice/week??? Wtf, those compounds need pinning at least every other day to be stable in your blood.

HCG keeps your nuts working on cycle, so they dont shut down.

You are way too young, and with these compounds, you could easily have permanently screwed your body at your age.

**Lemonada8** · 05-26-2011, 11:53 AM

^^ esp with the infrequency of pinning.
No, HCG will help recovery! thats why.

**Charliesinclair121** · 05-26-2011, 12:01 PM

What permanent damage could I have done?
If I start the hcg now will it bring my balls back to original size then I can pct
Like normal after.

I might stop the ultracut then an just do winstrol tabs, will that be ok or will I need something to recover from the ultracut, also winstrol tabs aren't as dangerous as ultracut are they? Regarding I take livercare etc with it?

**vtach12** · 05-26-2011, 12:32 PM

Have you done any research? Besides being too young, it seems like you jumped into this blind. Stop the messed up cycle and run PCT like the others have stated. Then pray you haven't screwed your endocrine system up for life.

**Charliesinclair121** · 05-26-2011, 12:42 PM

Am I too young to be on them then? Is there any at all that I can do at this age?

What if I stopped the injections now and just ran winstrol for 4 weeks? Would I not have to do anything to recover from the ultracut? Also if I stop now will my balls recover to normal size? And if I continued on just winstrol will they recover? I appreciate all your advice to stop but could someone answer these few questions, obviously I am now concerned about these issues now people have mentioned it? I appreciate all your help

**Charliesinclair121** · 05-26-2011, 02:06 PM

Hi guys, I know I'm probably pissing you all off by keep posting and you probably think I'm not taking your advice but I am! I just want to know if I stop ultracut and move onto jus Anavar because I know it's not potent, how will body react to this change, the reason I'm so eager on doing this cycle is because I want to look good for holiday and then I'll stop and if I do it again I'll ensure to do my research well enough before hand.

Should I run hcg with Anavar or anything? And will pct be similar?

**Windex** · 05-26-2011, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Charliesinclair121

Hi guys, I know I'm probably pissing you all off by keep posting and you probably think I'm not taking your advice but I am! I just want to know if I stop ultracut and move onto jus Anavar because I know it's not potent, how will body react to this change, the reason I'm so eager on doing this cycle is because I want to look good for holiday and then I'll stop and if I do it again I'll ensure to do my research well enough before hand.

Should I run hcg with Anavar or anything? And will pct be similar?

STOP TAKING ALL STEROIDS PERIOD.

You need to follow the PCT Lemon said, with Nolvadex & Clomid. Until you get your PCT chemicals (if you don't already have them on hand), you should be taking HCG @ 500 IU's a week (2x 250 IU injections). HCG needs to be injected with a 27G / 29G / 31G Needle.

Not to offend you, but switching to Anavar or Winstrol is equally if not more stupid than what your already doing. You need to read all of the educational threads to understand why what you are doing is incredibly idiotic and do not listen to some random gym guy in the future. Everything you need to understand about safe steroid use can be found in these forums. You are no where ready mentally, let alone physically, for any kind of anabolic compound. Get to the diet section and learn how to eat and grow properly. Without a proper diet AAS will only make your wallet thinner.

While some people would argue 21 is a good age to start, your endocrine system still continues to develop and fluctuate up until the age of 25. Plus, studies have shown people can still continue to grow (in height and diameter) up until 25. Even if you were finished growing, you simply aren't educated in relation to proper dieting and training in combination with steroid use.

After your PCT is finished, you need to get bloodwork done to make sure you haven't created permanent damage to your body forever.

**Dr Pepper** · 05-26-2011, 03:51 PM

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Posted by Marcus 30/11/2008

**Dr Pepper** · 05-26-2011, 03:52 PM

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Posted by Marcus 30/11/2008

**kbsportsnut** · 05-26-2011, 04:45 PM

You clearly have no idea how aas works. As everyone else has stated stop all steroids and pct properly. At your age yes you should recover if done correctly. Hell get blood work done after pct to make sure. After that I would suggest you do lots of research and then in 4 years if still interested try to do a proper cycle.

**jamal** · 05-26-2011, 05:18 PM

I would never understand why people go in so blindly. It's the same like someone saying you'll get rich if you jump from a building right in your head and you believe them and proceed. I guess everybody likes having easy results while doing nothing and think about steroids beeing the magic answer.

**Charliesinclair121** · 05-27-2011, 02:05 AM

Cheers for the advice guys I discontinued use of them as of yesterday.

Jamal, I didn't go in so blindly to it, I guess you can say that to some degree, in the sense of understanding the compounds, but it's not like I think they're the magic answer, I understand the amount of effort and dedication that comes into it when training on steroids , the will power and motivation is unmeasurable, and it pisses me off when naive beings believe one takes steroids, sits back and blows up! I know how to train and eat properly and for some reason I have believed these people at the gym, looking at their physiques you would expect them to know what they are on about.

Thanks to everyone for giving me advice, it's much apprecited

Just to clarify am I best doing clomid/Nolvadex for 4 weeks and some hcg ?