Good Estrogen Block on cycle?

[new_ro_kid]

Started my first cycle this week.
250 mg deca 1x week
500 mg test sus p/week

I am on milk thistle and my diet is pretty much down pat, i go to the gym at least 5 or 6 times a week. I weigh 175 pounds and am hoping to hit 200 in ten weeks, and to keep it.

What is a good Estrogen blocker to take that will not affect my gains? Should i just wait till my cycle is done?

I am right now taking
-Milk Thistle
-Multi vitamins

The estrogen blocker i was thinking of was NOLVADEX.

any advice is appreciated.

Also does it matter where i inject? my first two injections have been in my delts.

[Matt]

Your 18 years old and run the risk of causing serious health issues, no one on this board will advise an 18 year old except to say stop what your doing your giving us all a bad name. Hell you've not even finished growing yet......

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ids&highlight=

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[new_ro_kid]

Can someone help with my question, i have already injected twice and my next injection is saturday. I only plan on doing one cycle. I have bought the stuff and opened them, cant really get rid of them, ive already made my choice some advice would be helpful. Thanks in advanced

[marcus300]

Your 18yrs old you need to stop straight away before you do yourself damage.

Its irrelevant if your going to do it anyway, our advice still stays the same. There isn't a safe way to cycle at your age, do you really want to have limp dick issues and low test for life!! come on be mature about this and stop.

[new_ro_kid]

Arnold Schwarzenegger started taking steroids when he was 15-16 years old. If i'm not mistaken it was just made public that he fathered a child with his housemaid ten years ago, i think his dick was working correctly even in his 50's. I am friends with a guy named Teddy Hart, Bret and Owen harts nephew, he's a pro wrestler who started juicing at 18, hes now 30, very strong and married. He still does cycles and is fine.

Why all the hate? i will be nineteen in september, can grow a full beard, and i feel i am mostly done growing, with a proper PCT good diet etc...is it really that dangerous? I know what i am doing i just HAVE a simple question of what a good estrogen blocker is WHILE on the juice not post cycle. Thank you

[warren916]

Yes its VERY dangerous at your age.

A kid jumped off the golden gate bridge and lived (unheard of), doesnt mean everyone will live.

[new_ro_kid]

I will not be jumping off any bridge, im just looking for some good advice from experienced users, not advice like IT IS VERY DANGEROUS STOP NOW! the human body is a great thing, im very healthy im sure one steroid cycle done properly wont leave me with permanent side effects. Maybe for a few weeks after my cycle i wont be able to get it up big deal, im just asking what a good estrogen blocker is, and if NOLVADEX will suffice? no one can answer this simple question? And should i wait till i see estrogon effects or go on it immediately. Thanks

[rabidsquirrel]

no ones has hate towards you. they are really trying to help. there are a lot of people that do it wrong, doesnt mean you should. back in arnolds day there was a limited amount of knowledge on juice, so no one new what was right or wrong. now we know it can mess your body up. i did it to young as well, now i have to do a shoot every two weeks and i cant even workout because of damage to shoulder. just because you can grow a bread does mean ur body is fully developed. no ones gonna answer you so i you insist on doing it, then just do research and figure it out. no one is gonna hurt the rep of this site by helping you. sorry

[ScotchGuard02]

You're getting really sound advice from our top vets. You should listen to them.

[new_ro_kid]

and my money just flush down the drain come on now juice isnt cheap. Idk i dont personally think one cycle will hurt me i think it will help.

[new_ro_kid]

im 175 pounds 18 years...12% body fat. i curl 45s and bench 185. i can keep making natural gains but i feel that one cycle will really boost my workout

[rabidsquirrel]

and my money just flush down the drain come on now juice isnt cheap. Idk i dont personally think one cycle will hurt me i think it will help.

well if you know so much about it why are you here asking us. save it, juice last for years. if you would have done some research before you started you would have learn you were to young. i personally think you would be ok at 23 or around that age(just my opinion) but 18 is way to young. you dont understand that ur body is already making high amounts of test, that is why in ur teenage years ur voice change, growth sperts happen and why high school kids blow up when they hit the gym. please just listen to these guy theyre not idiots, they are all here to help. good luck with whatever you decide to do.

[rabidsquirrel]

im 175 pounds 18 years...12% body fat. i curl 45s and bench 185. i can keep making natural gains but i feel that one cycle will really boost my workout

this quote says it all ur still making natural gains. juice is for those that have hit there natural peak and been there for sometime.

[new_ro_kid]

its real hard now that ive started just to put it down and wait. Say i do everything correctly and decide just to do ONE cycle and not abuse the steroids. Can i do it properly without negative effects?

[rabidsquirrel]

maybe no one knows. you might be ok, but then again you might **** yourself up. and if you do mess up there no turning back, trust me when i tell you that you dont want to have to take test for the rest of ur life because you made a mistake when you were 18-19. its a real bitch, i remember thinking ill never stop working out this is what i love. i thought id go hrt for ever, i though its easy to get. and injection are no big deal. now its hard to find good shit and im still to young (30) it get from doctor. even now i only have 2 bottles left and i dont know where the hell im gonna get it next time. juice is something that cant be taking lightly, it needs to be done at right time for the right reasons and the right way. thats is what everyone is really trying to get through to you. there all trying to tell you take you are at ur age a walking test production system, if you have ur diet and workout on key, u will get the gain you want naturally. then when you peak hit the juice and you will see what its really about.

[songdog]

Try listening to people who know.Everyone is different.There are a few kids like you on here who wish they did.They cant get a woody.Nor do they have the desire to have sex.And it was from their 1st cycle.So you tell me.Will just 1 cycle hurt ? ITS YOUR D!CK

[marcus300]

You came on here for advice from people who know what they are talking about, your the novice not us so start listening. There isnt a safe way to cycle at your age and stats....

read these

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...rmanent-damage

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-2-years-later.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...seeking-advice.

[new_ro_kid]

to Marcus, i read all three of those threads. Thread 1, and 3, the person used NO PCT. The middle thread the kid messed around with juice for 3 years. Right now i am talking about doing it the right way with a proper PCT and not continuing after my first cycle. maybe do another cycle in a year or two. I am not talking about becoming a total juice head here. I have a buddy who is 20 now and did 2 cycles when he was 18, he still lifts hard and said he was fine with the proper PCT and can still use his dick. So idk who to listen to, friends who i work out with whove had experience and are ahowing me how to do it. Or the experts on here, and of course you all will say the experts on here.

[marcus300]

At your age there isnt a right way to cycle, you will shut yourself natural testosterone down before its fully developed........I guess you better listen to your friends, best of luck you will need it.

[Rye_guy]

Arnold Schwarzenegger started taking steroids when he was 15-16 years old. If i'm not mistaken it was just made public that he fathered a child with his housemaid ten years ago, i think his dick was working correctly even in his 50's. I am friends with a guy named Teddy Hart, Bret and Owen harts nephew, he's a pro wrestler who started juicing at 18, hes now 30, very strong and married. He still does cycles and is fine.

Why all the hate? i will be nineteen in september, can grow a full beard, and i feel i am mostly done growing, with a proper PCT good diet etc...is it really that dangerous? I know what i am doing i just HAVE a simple question of what a good estrogen blocker is WHILE on the juice not post cycle. Thank you

kid, at your age, you dont need the gear. your test levels are up there! none of us will support some kid doin gear! leave the stuff to the grown ups! if your growin a full beard, you deff have some good test pumpin through ya! tryin to argue the boys on here and defend yourself will get you nowhere, certainly wont get advice other than to stay off the sauce!

in the end, your still gonna do what you wanna do. none of us can pin you down and take the gear outta your hands. but trust the knowlege on this board. put down the syringe and wait a few years at least!

christ! go get a diet plan that works, and work out routine that works and some serious dedication! you will grow! puttin pins in yer ass isnt the answer to everything! you are simply not ready

[Ashop]

Started my first cycle this week.
250 mg deca 1x week
500 mg test sus p/week

I am on milk thistle and my diet is pretty much down pat, i go to the gym at least 5 or 6 times a week. I weigh 175 pounds and am hoping to hit 200 in ten weeks, and to keep it.

What is a good Estrogen blocker to take that will not affect my gains? Should i just wait till my cycle is done?

I am right now taking
-Milk Thistle
-Multi vitamins

The estrogen blocker i was thinking of was NOLVADEX.

any advice is appreciated.

Also does it matter where i inject? my first two injections have been in my delts.

I would run an AI like ARIMIDEX,,or AROMASIN.

[new_ro_kid]

thank you **** for answering my question, would you run the AI post cycle or during?

[new_ro_kid]

i am actuley having second thoughts about running my cycle. Half of me is all for doing it like why not, with the proper ACT, diet, and workout plan i can put on twenty five pounds and hopefully keep twenty. I already feel a difference in strength, i took my first deca shot on monday. The other half of me is thinking damn what if im one of the unlucky ones.

If i dont continue my cycle well (300 plus$) down the drain. I guess i can get back on no xplode, cell tech, animal pak etc...however its just not the same

[new_ro_kid]

bump bump

started my cycle last week still no signs of gyno, should i hop on aromasin each day anyways?

[DGK]

bro u really are not gonna get any advice from anyone as is the standard rule here no one helps kids juice. u need to be around 24 25 to get any help.. also if u had done ur research at all u would of already learned about ai's before u started. im willing to bet u dont even have your pct on hand.. stop the juice hit the gym tighten up ur diet and wait till ur older thats all the advice ur gonna get

[Tay-boe]

That sucks you payed 300 bucks. Now it's wasted.

[new_ro_kid]

actuley its in my body and i have nolva and clomid on hand. just wondering if i should take something besides milk thistle, multi vitamin, flaxseed oil etc...

[cfisher]

If you don't listen to these vets and continue this cycle, you should really do alot of research. Don't mix deca and nolva. May be okay for pct, but not together. Do yourself a favor and read all these posts on your thread carefully. These guys are giving real good advice here. Your lucky anyone even responded at all.
Why don't these guys read other threads before posting these questions?

[anadroljack]

wow,really you are to young,i wish i had someone tell me no at that age,now i might have to have test therapy for the rest of my life,take a step back and really look into it.

[markiejw]

actuley its in my body and i have nolva and clomid on hand. just wondering if i should take something besides milk thistle, multi vitamin, flaxseed oil etc...

A lot of your questions are really common sense man... which is probably why you are getting so much push-back. You're talking about how ready you think you are but you don't know the answer to even the simple question, like, should I be taking vitamins?

If you read the newbie section of the forums...
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...evised-Edition

you'll see a thread in there titled "Steroid Cycles"....
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...for-the-Newbie

that thread pretty clearly explains if and you when you should be taking your PCT, SERM, and AI. All the information is here in the forums. You don't even need this thread. All you have to do is read around and you can figure it all out on your own.

[new_ro_kid]

Thank you, ive already crossed the line so im just going to continue the cycle those threads were also very helpful.

im going to go with aromidex at .25 mg eod or aromasin 10 mg eod, whichever i can get quiker.

2 weeks after my cycle ill start with 40 mg nolva ed (week 12-14)
Then 20 mg ed (week 16-18)

I know you all think im to young, i appreciate the concern, hopefully i wont be one of the unlucky ones.

i was thinking of adding in HCG at week 3 at 500 iu (2 shots) not sure yet though.