First Cycle, have some questions.

[Xzmk07]

Okay this is my first cycle of test e. I am 19 years old(i know im too young, so please save the flaming), on week 4 i had gained around 12 pounds muscle/little water. This is my 5th week I only gained around 2 pounds. Last week i have added some tren e(.5 cc) to my normal test e 375 mg (once per week) but haven't really been gaining the past 2 weeks. Have I hit a plateau? i am still eating my ass off with a super good diet but still haven't been gaining no where near my first couple week gains. Any suggestions? Im thinking of completely stopping my low dose tren, but half a CC wont hurt in my opinion.

[Lemonada8]

well..

do u have a PCT planned?

Dont do tren again, it will kill ur recovery

r u using HCG now?
500iu 2x week
well keep eating good and do a good PCT is all i can really say...

Since ur a noob and already on
heres a easy good pct
Nolva (tamoxifen ) 40/40/20/20 *thats mg ED for 4 weeks
*clomid 50mg ed 2 weeks *optional*
HCG 1000iu first day

Wait 4 years to cycle again :-)

[Blade15]

Agreed....Good advice Lemonada8...

[manblue]

well your to young to be messin with roids and

test e takes 4 weeks to kick in and if you where gaining better on your first two weeks you where probly still gaining on natural test

youve probly shut down your natural test now so like he said /\ run pct and don't do it for 4 years.

research what steroids at your age is doing to you.

good luck

[Shol'va]

Okay this is my first cycle of test e. I am 19 years old(dont flame me for bullshit about im too young i dont care), on week 4 i had gained around 12 pounds muscle/little water. This is my 5th week I only gained around 2 pounds. Last week i have added some tren e(.5 cc) to my normal test e 375 mg (once per week) but haven't really been gaining the past 2 weeks. Have I hit a plateau? i am still eating my ass off with a super good diet but still haven't been gaining no where near my first couple week gains. Any suggestions? Im thinking of completely stopping my low dose tren, but half a CC wont hurt in my opinion.

Do yourself a huge favor and read the thread titled Recovering From Steroids 2 Years Later.......

[Tigershark]

Love how people state thier age then tell us to go fvck off because they don't care about an opinion. Great way to make new friends. That is no different then walking into a crowded a room of strangers and telling everyone to fvck themselves before getting to know them. Great plan.

[lc1213]

yea like sayin "first things first, F\/ck everyone on here because i am 19 and know a lot more than anyone on this forum can tell me about aas. Then follow it up with "can you help me?" or "why is this happening?"

[SlimmerMe]

Okay this is my first cycle of test e. I am 19 years old(dont flame me for bullshit about im too young i dont care), on week 4 i had gained around 12 pounds muscle/little water. This is my 5th week I only gained around 2 pounds. Last week i have added some tren e(.5 cc) to my normal test e 375 mg (once per week) but haven't really been gaining the past 2 weeks. Have I hit a plateau? i am still eating my ass off with a super good diet but still haven't been gaining no where near my first couple week gains. Any suggestions? Im thinking of completely stopping my low dose tren, but half a CC wont hurt in my opinion.

Yep.....re-think your plan. Not a good idea. And not what you want to hear. But to continue will take you to the Over 40 forum sooner than later.

Live and learn.
Best thing that will come out of this? Hopefully you will return to advise other 19 year olds not to take steroids .

[SlimmerMe]

The Young and Steroids by Marcus300

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[Xzmk07]

I said that because i knew i would get flamed and not get a straight answer. I have 2 more injections left with the test e so im going to finish that and then start pct. I cannot get my hands on HCG but I have liquid nolva and liquid clomid on hand(there the same as pill form correct)? Do I NEED HCG? if so shoot me a pm. thanks and didnt mean to give that "**** everyone" look

[Lemonada8]

just remember that u are one of a million, so startin off the way u did is gonna elicit a response from people sick and tired of ignorance.

You should be fine with nolva and clomid from AR-R banner above.

HCG helps recovery ALOT, but you have a bonus on ur side w/ ur age.. you are more likely to recover back to 'normal'

I bet you gaineed ALOT more water than you think. A) the steroid is stored in fat tissue surrounding muscle. So there it does 2 things, it Sits and waits to have its ester cut off. B) the water bloat is from the esterase cutting off the ester from the test. So, longer chain, more bloat.

[gixxerboy1]

i would not do another injection of tren , in your words 1/2 cc wont hurt, well a 1/2 cc wont help gains either