1st Cycle Dianabol only advise

[Joo3]

Yes 1st time user, 1st post ect ....ready to be grilled

Yes I have done some sort of research before hand, yes I know what google is

Have purchased 100 10mg dianabol tabs for a dianabol ONLY cycle.
(AND YES I DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON WELL I PURCHASED FROM )

I plan to take 30mg of dianabol a day (3tabs split up during the day, not all in 1) for a course of 4 weeks.

The few questions I do have that I wont advise on from you guys is regarding anti-Es, HCG's, and my PCT...

I was planning to take 1mg arimidex every other day during the 4 week cycle to prevent gyno/bitch tits!

And then the day after my last dbol tab, to start my PCT..

week 1: 40mg of Nolvadex
week 2: 30mg of Nolvadex
week 3: 20mg of Nolvadex
week 4: 10/5mg of Nolvadex

Then after this 8week cycle/PCT.....to be clean for a while and have nothing but whey proteins and pre sups like Jack3d

Reading through forums such as this, I get the feeling that this isn't a particularly massive cycle, therefore reducing the side effect chances. OBVIOUSLY I know that sides are a great possibility!....

But are things like HCG products a MUST for me to get, or will just arimidex for during my cycle and nolbadex for PCT be fine on there own?

Also are milk thistles recommended as dbols are oral? Will 1 tablet a day be fine?

Cheers.....ready to learn

[gixxerboy1]

search d-bol only cycles on here. They arent recommended.

what are your stats?

and to answer your question in part thats alot of a-dex

[rabidsquirrel]

think you need some more research friend dbol only cycle is a waist of money IMO. you will blow up then shrink down like a bitch shortly after cycle. all cycles need test. but do what you want

[bparks19]

think you need some more research friend dbol only cycle is a waist of money IMO. you will blow up then shrink down like a bitch shortly after cycle. all cycles need test. but do what you want

agreed at least run a small dose of test with this cycle to help keep some gains

[Joo3]

what if I don't want to inject?

[Dr Pepper]

what if I don't want to inject?

Then dont use steriods until your ready to inject...

Age?
Weight?
Height?
Bf%?

[gixxerboy1]

what if I don't want to inject?

what are your stats

[songdog]

Then waste your money not our time.You asked we gave.Your research must have lasted 5 minutes.Beacuse you didnt get that from here.Good luck.

[Joo3]

That 5mins included reading about people like you that say dbols suck just becuase you don't drop the needle

[bparks19]

That 5mins included reading about people like you that say dbols suck just becuase you don't drop the needle

in all honesty it is a wast of money d bol alone is somehwere between 89 - 95 percent water retention. which means if u gain 10 pounds you may keep 1 which isnt nothing. from personal experience my freshman year of college i had a roommate take a dbol only cycle he went from 190-212 in 5 weeks lost it all and was about 188 with his bf% higher. You will feel great while on but be prepared for a major ego and self esteem change after about 2 weeks off

[mani_bono]

First of all What is your stats/goals? Then consider these things first:

1- D-bol only not a good idea. (personally I don't like d-bol, lots of water retention, side effects, hard to keep gains. why not going for test propionate if you want to see fast results?)

2- make sure to read this first: http://www.steroid.com/how_to_come_off_steroids.php

3- If you don't want to loose all your gains, you need something to fight against super-catabolic state of your body after cycle. Clenbuterol would be a good choice.

4- As everyone says it's wrong but If you insist to run d-bol only as your first cycle and not running test along, at least add some mild anabolic steroids to your cycle, I recommend primobolan depot to help you to come off d-bol eventually. for example something like this:
week 1-4 : 30 mg d-bol ED + 400mg Primobolan per week
week 4-5 : 10 mg d-bol ED + 400mg Primobolan per week
week 5-7: 400mg Primobolan per week
then go for PCT + Clen
Still not a perfect 1st cycle but so much better than yours!

about your question regarding PCT, in order to increase the body's own testosterone production ASAP you need to use HCG or clomid. so yes you should add it to PCT IMO.

[RoidReaper]

Why the f*ck is everyone so scared to run test? I see all these dumb "Dbol only" "Winstrol Only" cycles. I mean, do you guys even care about your dicks? lol

[mani_bono]

what if I don't want to inject?

Seriously If you want to compete or go for any contest, try to overcome the fear of injection or whatever your problem is ... you must be so much stronger for competing in this sport, you can't say I don't want to inject or I will not do that, you should do whatever it takes to be the best.
And If you don't want to compete why playing with your health and getting all the nasty side effects from steroids ? have you read about side effects of d-bol? I would say stay natural.

[awms]

Why do people continue to run these dumb oral only cycles even after they have been told not to over and over? Do they think that they are the exception to the rule? That they and only they will magicaly hold onto their gains post cycle???? I dont get it! If you cant stick yourself with a needle then dont use steroids !

[RoidReaper]

Why do people continue to run these dumb oral only cycles even after they have been told not to over and over? Do they think that they are the exception to the rule? That they and only they will magicaly hold onto their gains post cycle???? I dont get it! If you cant stick yourself with a needle then dont use steroids!

Because they are scared of needles... pussies lol

[Joo3]

OK I decided not to buy dianabol and cheat! As I done a bit more research and the cons are much more in favor than the pros of using this ****!

18yo male, around a year and a bit lifting experience, 75kg, not sure what my bf% is ?

I go away on a lads holiday in 2months, so I obviously want to look the best I can for that

I haven’t got much time to bulk and get bigger like I would want, and then cut in time so I don’t look fat for holiday and have no visible un-tensed abs... so I want to get as toned as I can for holiday and then after holiday I can begin to bulk and get bigger ready for next year

At the moment I have a 4pack when tensed, and it isn't great when relaxed, so I know I need to do a lot of legs raises and stuff to hit the lower abs, and I know abs become more visible around 10-11% bf....so I also need to burn some fat!

Diet wise...I am starting to eat more sensible, but unsure what I should be taking in more or less of to achieve my holiday goal ?

Supp wise... I take 2 scoops of 90+ whey protein (53g of protein) first thing as I wake up and another 2 scoops (53g) after my workout

and I also take Jack3d as a pre supp 30mins before my workout, which I have notice is giving me more energy and focus!

I read to build muscle you should take 1.2g or protein per kg of your weight so for me..
1.2 x 75 = 90g of protein needed daily (which I am getting)

....Is this correct

And there is a saying "No carbs before marbs"...how much carbs should I be taking to achieve more holiday goal?

My plans like this:

Day1 Chest
Day2 Tri/Bi
Day3 Legs
Day4 Shoulders
Day5 Back
Day6 Rest
Day7 Rest

I aim to throw ab workouts in each day, or if not every other day
and 20mins of interval running (40sec sprint/20sec jog) each training day

I mix up the routine, sometime do 10reps 10sets and a few supplementary exercise for 3x12
and then sometimes with heavier weights 5x5 ranges.

Cheers for ready this ESSAY!

[Windex]

OK I decided not to buy dianabol and cheat! As I done a bit more research and the cons are much more in favor than the pros of using this ****!

18yo male, around a year and a bit lifting experience, 75kg, not sure what my bf% is ?

I go away on a lads holiday in 2months, so I obviously want to look the best I can for that

I haven’t got much time to bulk and get bigger like I would want, and then cut in time so I don’t look fat for holiday and have no visible un-tensed abs... so I want to get as toned as I can for holiday and then after holiday I can begin to bulk and get bigger ready for next year

At the moment I have a 4pack when tensed, and it isn't great when relaxed, so I know I need to do a lot of legs raises and stuff to hit the lower abs, and I know abs become more visible around 10-11% bf....so I also need to burn some fat!

Diet wise...I am starting to eat more sensible, but unsure what I should be taking in more or less of to achieve my holiday goal ?

Supp wise... I take 2 scoops of 90+ whey protein (53g of protein) first thing as I wake up and another 2 scoops (53g) after my workout

and I also take Jack3d as a pre supp 30mins before my workout, which I have notice is giving me more energy and focus!

I read to build muscle you should take 1.2g or protein per kg of your weight so for me..
1.2 x 75 = 90g of protein needed daily (which I am getting)

....Is this correct

And there is a saying "No carbs before marbs"...how much carbs should I be taking to achieve more holiday goal?

My plans like this:

Day1 Chest
Day2 Tri/Bi
Day3 Legs
Day4 Shoulders
Day5 Back
Day6 Rest
Day7 Rest

I aim to throw ab workouts in each day, or if not every other day
and 20mins of interval running (40sec sprint/20sec jog) each training day

I mix up the routine, sometime do 10reps 10sets and a few supplementary exercise for 3x12
and then sometimes with heavier weights 5x5 ranges.

Cheers for ready this ESSAY!

Rest of what you wrote is irrelevant you are way to young to be using anabolic compounds. Taking steroids at a young age you risk damaging your endocrine system and creating hormone imbalances for the rest of your life. You are in no way ready for anything except food. Your diet needs a complete overhaul and you probably have room for improvement.

1) Your under 25 (ish). Your natty test is still likely high, and you probably still have room to grow. You may not have spent the time reaching your natural limit, which is the best time to consider a boost. Choice is yours tho! This varies from person to person, but is a pretty good general rule. If you're a teen, dont even think about it. Why would you? Your likely jacked on natty test right now! Use it!

2) You dont know what your doing with the actual steroids, hgh, slin, pct stuff etc. You have no real knowledge of each compound, proper dosing, side effects etc. This can lead to more problems than good. An intimate knowledge of anything you put in your body should be common sense! That goes for PCT too. And these should only be used once you have the 3 major foundations down (see 4,5,6)

3) You havent trained for at least a couple years. Just ask the guys who start training, jump onto a cycle, get huge and tear a tendon in half. Steroids grow muscle. Not tendons or connective tissue. One of the most common reasons for injury is huge strong muscles overpower tendons - try this if you want to feel some hefty pain. I made this mistake. You dont want to tear a tendon or muscle cause you didnt take the time to develope your connective tissue or your nervous system. Yes, these other 2 guys are VERY important to muscle growth and avoiding injury.

4) You dont know how to eat. This is the first of the 3 major foundations. Lifting without fuel is very foolish, you cant build a house without bricks (protein) or mortar (carbs, fat). The right foods, in the right proportions, at the right time. Understanding macro nutrients, calories, your BMR, how to gain, how to lose, micronutrients (vitamins, minerals) and supplements is pretty much at the top of the list in importance. Without this, quit now. Your wasting your time.

5) You dont know how to lift, the second foundation. Proper training is essential for the fastest growth. Knowing your lifting is a necessity, and helps you get the fastest gains in the shortest time and stay injury free. How much would it suck if you were halfway through a cycle, ripping your shirts, and you blow your back with an improper squat? It sucks lots.

6) You dont know how to rest, the third foundation. The most common failure for us guys tryin to get huge is overtraining. Yes you can overtrain on AAS. I know i know... we want it NOW not later! A little knowledge in basic human biology is a must here - you grow OUTSIDE the gym, damage muscle INSIDE the gym. Proper rest periods and sleep patterns will aid your growth so much, as opposed to overtraining and stunting yourself... a very easy line to cross.

7) You lack discipline. In order to learn all this, you need to get it done and stick with it. That goes for all of it - diet, training, rest, cycling and everything in between. Why put your body through all this without getting the most out of it. Messing with your endocrine system can be some serious stuff, and there are consequenses. If you dont have the time to dig in and learn, you could waste your time and end up more out of shape then you started, or worse, you could get hurt.

8) You lack the mental stability to handle the sides. Physical and mental side effects vary from person to person, and usually increase as doses increase. Physical sides can range from water retention to more serious conditions like gyno or high blood pressure. Mental sides can be something like increased libido (not so bad) to increased temper. If you cant overcome sides either mentally or physically, you may not be fit to use.

[Joo3]

I take it u didnt actually read past the age then....continue reading

[mani_bono]

I take it u didnt actually read past the age then....continue reading

Don't look for help in this forum, It's one of the most newbie unfriendly forums ever, most of the guys are not here to help anybody or answer any question they are just waiting to find something wrong in your post (like dianabol only or your age) and start flaming, bunch of stupid loosers ...

So try to get help from a good trainer and check your diet with him, basically you need to cut your carbohydrates under 2.5 grams per kg of your body weight and have a high carb day every five day.
you also need to eat something around 260 grams of protein daily according to your bodyweigth. and you can start eating around 1900-2000 calories daily and have high calorie/carb day every 5 day.
Do lots of Cardio 5, 30 minutes session per week IMO.
you can use this tool to calculate calories and proteins of foods: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/nutrient.htm

try to use real food as your main source and don't get deendent on supplements, whey protein + some fat burner is enough for your goals

These are general guidelines you should adjust them as you watching your body progress ...
Good luck

[gixxerboy1]

Don't look for help in this forum, It's one of the most newbie unfriendly forums ever, most of the guys are not here to help anybody or answer any question they are just waiting to find something wrong in your post (like dianabol only or your age) and start flaming, bunch of stupid loosers ...

So try to get help from a good trainer and check your diet with him, basically you need to cut your carbohydrates under 2.5 grams per kg of your body weight and have a high carb day every five day.
you also need to eat something around 260 grams of protein daily according to your bodyweigth. and you can start eating around 1900-2000 calories daily and have high calorie/carb day every 5 day.
Do lots of Cardio 5, 30 minutes session per week IMO.
you can use this tool to calculate calories and proteins of foods: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/nutrient.htm

try to use real food as your main source and don't get deendent on supplements, whey protein + some fat burner is enough for your goals

These are general guidelines you should adjust them as you watching your body progress ...
Good luck

if you dont like it here there is nothing keeping you here.

Also there are plenty of helpful people that would be happy to help with diet or training. Maybe if he went to that section instead of the steroid section he would get more help.

[mani_bono]

if you dont like it here there is nothing keeping you here.

Also there are plenty of helpful people that would be happy to help with diet or training. Maybe if he went to that section instead of the steroid section he would get more help.

lol I said "newbie unfriendly", for me it's ok.

[gixxerboy1]

lol I said "newbie unfriendly", for me it's ok.

lol cool.

Alot of people get frustrated answering the same newbie question 10 a day that could have been answered if they just read the educational thread or the thread 2 below theirs

[mani_bono]

lol cool.

Alot of people get frustrated answering the same newbie question 10 a day that could have been answered if they just read the educational thread or the thread 2 below theirs

I agree! but personally when I'm not in the mood of helping others or sharing my experience, i will not come to forum and will not post any replies.
but we gotta accept this fact that a newbie who can not wait few months to see progress in his body through training + good diet. and is looking for shortcuts using steroids , probably is not going to read educational threads and learn all the stuff!

[ArmyRanger1982]

Bro , i was nervious about injecting also. I dnt mind needles it was the nerves over me having a higher BF and the sides. i have been injecting 600mg of test e a week. Test is the way to go for the 1st cycle. some of these guys on herecan be hard on newbies, but its only to keep u frm making te same mistakes that they did. they give me negitive feed sometimes also but its there opions and there knowledge. Dnt take it person i had to learn that myself. stick with a test and maybe dbol

[gixxerboy1]

Bro , i was nervious about injecting also. I dnt mind needles it was the nerves over me having a higher BF and the sides. i have been injecting 600mg of test e a week. Test is the way to go for the 1st cycle. some of these guys on herecan be hard on newbies, but its only to keep u frm making te same mistakes that they did. they give me negitive feed sometimes also but its there opions and there knowledge. Dnt take it person i had to learn that myself. stick with a test and maybe dbol

Really? We just got the kid to make a smart decision. He is in the diet section researching. Finally he is doing the right thing. And you come in and tell him to stick with test and maybe d-bol.
Great advice your an asset to the board

[RoidReaper]

Don't look for help in this forum, It's one of the most newbie unfriendly forums ever, most of the guys are not here to help anybody or answer any question they are just waiting to find something wrong in your post (like dianabol only or your age) and start flaming, bunch of stupid loosers ...

So try to get help from a good trainer and check your diet with him, basically you need to cut your carbohydrates under 2.5 grams per kg of your body weight and have a high carb day every five day.
you also need to eat something around 260 grams of protein daily according to your bodyweigth. and you can start eating around 1900-2000 calories daily and have high calorie/carb day every 5 day.
Do lots of Cardio 5, 30 minutes session per week IMO.
you can use this tool to calculate calories and proteins of foods: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/nutrient.htm

try to use real food as your main source and don't get deendent on supplements, whey protein + some fat burner is enough for your goals

These are general guidelines you should adjust them as you watching your body progress ...
Good luck

Nobody is out to get anyone. Were just trying to save them from severe hormonal crash. Although i agree with u in some small way that alot of it is wayyyyy over exaggerated but they still shouldnt be using at a young age.

[songdog]

No we arent unfriendly to new guys.We just dont give cycle advise to the under age.Now you think about this.You have a youg son.Well he gets advise from a plce like this to do a cycle.He gets messed up.He will never have kids.Then you see where he got his info from.Thats when the shit hits the fan.Now you tell me! Who isnt being friendly?

[RoidReaper]

No we arent unfriendly to new guys.We just dont give cycle advise to the under age.Now you think about this.You have a youg son.Well he gets advise from a plce like this to do a cycle.He gets messed up.He will never have kids.Then you see where he got his info from.Thats when the shit hits the fan.Now you tell me! Who isnt being friendly?

You gotta realize, most kids never listen when we give them advice anyways and end up coming back and saying they have problems.

[songdog]

Yeah thats true.I got one that knows everything.So she thinks.

[Lemonada8]

yea.. i just try to make sure they are correctly informed. I will press my view if i feel its needed, but i bet 85% of the questions asked can be answered quickly and its the same friggin question!

ohwell at least sometimes we do get a good discussion going over ideas that always are informative..

[RoidReaper]

Yeah thats true.I got one that knows everything.So she thinks.

Haha yeah thats how it is.