look good for second cycle?

**Nuzzi** · 06-01-2011, 11:16 AM

if you read down near the bottom ive decided to stick with just a dbol /test cycle, but ill leave this here for reference and criticism.

still ironing out hcg usage but heres what i have figured out so far, just wanted some opinions before i put it in stone.

1-14 test e 500/wk (250 x2)
1-13 equipoise 400/wk (200 x2)
1-5 dbol 30mg/ed split up
nolva 40/40/20/20 for pct
aromasin on hand as needed
? hcg 500iu/wk (250 x2) 6-15 (one week off before pct)

27, 5'10", about 180, lean, trained since high school.

**Matt** · 06-01-2011, 11:25 AM

Your pct is lacking, you need clomid in there...

Why Eq??

**Nuzzi** · 06-01-2011, 11:35 AM

i read so many back and forths about clomid use, some say use it others say its not needed......seeing as its harmfull to your vision ide rather not use it if its not really needed. can i just do a longer nolva like 50 40 40 20 20? i liked what ive read about eq especially when combined with test, to help harden up toward the end.

**RoidReaper** · 06-01-2011, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Matt

Your pct is lacking, you need clomid in there...

Why Eq??

Why does he need clomid? Nolvadex is stronger mg per mg than clomid. It is a long cycle but i think if HCG is used throughout the whole cycle than Nolva should do the job just fine.

Cycle looks good to me. Shit, i dont even know how to cycle anymore, since im on a cruise @ 200mg a week, i just throw diff compounds in once in a while (Not a good idea).

Live and Learn tho.

Anyways its a nice cycle and nolva is plenty man esp when using HCG throughout.

**Nuzzi** · 06-01-2011, 12:17 PM

i apreciate any and all input, and while i think nolva is fine i wont throw clomid out the window, its super easy to get so if need be i can have it in a few days. my last cycle i ran just nolva with aromasin and had no issues, not going to use the ai as much this time around since ill have the hcg , any input on the time frame i listed for the hcg? should i start maybe a week sooner? thanks.

**RoidReaper** · 06-01-2011, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Nuzzi

i apreciate any and all input, and while i think nolva is fine i wont throw clomid out the window, its super easy to get so if need be i can have it in a few days. my last cycle i ran just nolva with aromasin and had no issues, not going to use the ai as much this time around since ill have the hcg, any input on the time frame i listed for the hcg? should i start maybe a week sooner? thanks.

To be honest i prefer clomid over nolvadex (When i used to come off). Kept my libido high, kinda made me a emotional but it didnt kill my dick like nolva.

IMO, id rather be a bitchy dude with a hard dick then a regular dude with a wet angel hair dick lol.

**Nuzzi** · 06-02-2011, 08:55 AM

i hear that

**FCVtec** · 06-02-2011, 09:07 AM

Keep the A.I to a minimum. I often hear people on this board taking 250iu 2x week HCG on heavy cycles, how come some HRT docs prescribe 550iu 2x week HCG all the way till last week of cycle? Is that excessive in you guys opinion?

**Nuzzi** · 06-02-2011, 10:01 AM

well as of right now i guess ill be forgetting about the eq, suddenly its out of stock. so unless i find something else to add in there ill just be doing the dbol /test which im sure will be fine i just feel like i should be adding something. too soon for tren (only second cycle) i dont want to screw with deca , i took winny last time and didnt realy like it (tabs) so idk.

**jtuner77** · 06-02-2011, 11:01 AM

Take Winny again. How much did you take last time? 50mg a day is perfect. I wonder how legit your winny tabs were.

**Nuzzi** · 06-03-2011, 10:53 AM

i def dont want to take two different tabs in one cycle, the 5 weeks of dbol is a definate although i may increase the dose a little just because of the amount i can get, and dont want to have tons of waste. wouldnt be more than 45mg/ed tops. also may up the test to 600mg for the last 4 weeks also due to excess. ill look into the injectable winny, and i was only taking 30-35mg of winny last time, it def made a difference in hardness and strength but just felt dried out all the time and i was drinking tons of water. i could have been using too much ai though, and this time ai will be at a minimum as needed basis. live n learn. also i felt terrible when i came off, but again that may have been due to being my first cycle and learning everything.

i think im set with just the dbol/test. dont want to over do it. im confident ill get big results with just that. thanks for all the replies! any input is still greatly appreciated

**Matt** · 06-03-2011, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by RoidReaper

Why does he need clomid? Nolvadex is stronger mg per mg than clomid. It is a long cycle but i think if HCG is used throughout the whole cycle than Nolva should do the job just fine.

Cycle looks good to me. Shit, i dont even know how to cycle anymore, since im on a cruise @ 200mg a week, i just throw diff compounds in once in a while (Not a good idea).

Live and Learn tho.

Anyways its a nice cycle and nolva is plenty man esp when using HCG throughout.

You will find that clomid and nolva are actually playing two different roles, this is why both are needed or did you think we took the clomid because it tastes good???

**RoidReaper** · 06-03-2011, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Matt

You will find that clomid and nolva are actually playing two different roles, this is why both are needed or did you think we took the clomid because it tastes good???

I never noticed any added benefit running both of them together. Could be just me though.

**Windex** · 06-03-2011, 01:44 PM

Equipoise is useless garbage and 400 mg/wk won't do anything. Most people need stupid high doses (800 - 1000 mg/wk) just to get some veins at the cost of being hungry 24/7, having a high RBC count, and high blood pressure. Not worth it all in my opinion. Not too mention your injection 3-5 CC's of this stuff too.

Also if your afraid of of Clomid then run Torem @ 120/60/60/60/60/60 ED. Nolvadex is not enough.

**bjpennnn** · 06-03-2011, 01:52 PM

to go along with what windex said about eq, some people have a hard time getting it up on it and experience a lot of anxiety on it as well. Just totally not worth it imo.

**RoidReaper** · 06-04-2011, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by Windex

Equipoise is useless garbage and 400 mg/wk won't do anything. Most people need stupid high doses (800 - 1000 mg/wk) just to get some veins at the cost of being hungry 24/7, having a high RBC count, and high blood pressure. Not worth it all in my opinion. Not too mention your injection 3-5 CC's of this stuff too.

Also if your afraid of of Clomid then run Torem @ 120/60/60/60/60/60 ED. Nolvadex is not enough.

Bulllshittt. I have had great results on 400mg a week. Very vascular and hungry like crazy, nice strength gains. 800-1000mg? That just means your lazy and dont wanna work for the gains lol.

**Windex** · 06-04-2011, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by RoidReaper

Bulllshittt. I have had great results on 400mg a week. Very vascular and hungry like crazy, nice strength gains. 800-1000mg? That just means your lazy and dont wanna work for the gains lol.

But not everyone is like that and with the proper diet and cardio Test could have easily been the reason for the strength gains.

Originally Posted by Hazard

low bodyfat......

EQ is a waste for veins IMO..... takes up syringe space and does nothing else for you. WHy someone would inject 5ml's+ of a substance every week to get vascular is beyond me. Tren alone should be enough...... but nothings is going to help make veins show through fat so make sure you stay lean.

~Haz~

Originally Posted by marcus300

Eq and deca are completely different, not sure who you are listening to there but I wouldn't go back to them for advice..

IMHO EQ is useless for muscle building but it can increase the appetite for some,

I would look into your diet for further gains to be honest....

**THE-DET-OAK** · 06-04-2011, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Matt

You will find that clomid and nolva are actually playing two different roles, this is why both are needed

^^^^ yes.

Clomid acts like an estrogen at the pituitary, this allows it to stimulate GNRH, Nolvadex does not do this.

**RoidReaper** · 06-04-2011, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Windex

But not everyone is like that and with the proper diet and cardio Test could have easily been the reason for the strength gains.

I know for a fact that test wasnt the cause. I was using my standard cruising dose (200mg a week) and as soon as i added EQ, my strength shot up.

**Nuzzi** · 06-04-2011, 01:06 PM

im going to stick with the dbol /test for this cycle, its only my second venture so i have a lot of room to grow with minimal substances. as far as hcg i had planned to start with the 6th week at 500/wk and go untill 1 week before starting pct. you recomend starting it sooner? im doing test e so it wont kick in for 4 or 5 weeks anyway..as far as pct i still need clomid even with the hcg/nolva? thanks.

**gymfu** · 06-04-2011, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by RoidReaper

I know for a fact that test wasnt the cause. I was using my standard cruising dose (200mg a week) and as soon as i added EQ, my strength shot up.

Most people don't have good things to say about eq, your the first I've heard praise it.

**gymfu** · 06-04-2011, 01:37 PM

I like your idea of test and dbol . The PCT deff needs another SERM, nolva is not enough. Clomid is not hard on your vission, one of the possible listed side effects can be problems with vission, I know it's scary but I've never heard of ANYONE that experenced any vission side effects.

I started with only 20mg of dbol, noticed strength gains right away.

**Nuzzi** · 06-04-2011, 02:24 PM

i will incorporate the clomid into the pct. better safe then sorry, like i said earlier i was fine with just nolva on my first cycle but i was at half the dose of test, so its a different story this time. any opinions on ramping up the test toward the end? 500/wk for first 10 weeks then 600/wk for last 4 weeks....it wont cost me any more since ill already have it on hand, in theory it should give a good bump.

**warren916** · 06-04-2011, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Matt

You will find that clomid and nolva are actually playing two different roles, this is why both are needed or did you think we took the clomid because it tastes good???

Second that, i believe its best to take both. Why delay your natural recovery??

**RoidReaper** · 06-04-2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by gymfu

Most people don't have good things to say about eq, your the first I've heard praise it.

Because most people dont give it enough time to work. Everyone bitches about EQ and then they say they only ran it for 8 weeks. EQ doesnt start its magic till week 10-16.

One of the best cutters for sure. Vascularity is out of this world.